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Witzbold's avatar

Like you say, this comes down to the initial, too good to be true, repeated ad nauseum claims of ~95% generalised efficacy (back then there was rarely a distinction made between infection/hospitalisation/death healthy/young, young/old).

To break it down (because it is somewhat non-linear and oft misunderstood): 95% efficacy equates to a 1:~20 växxed:unvaxxed risk ratio i.e. vaxxed should be ~20 times less likely than unvaxxed to get infected/hospitalises/die. Real world data very quickly showed effectiveness was vastly less against infection, much less against hospitalisation, and also less against death.

Your example calculation of ~70% efficacy (under 60's population) based on Israeli data, equates to a ratio of 1:~3 I.e. vaxxed were ~3 times less likely to be hospitalised.

Hospitalisation for a middle-aged person going from 20 times less likely to only 3 times less likely is a very considerable loss of effectiveness, and, to play pharma's "trick" of highlighting relative risk reductions: this represents an ~85% relative reduction in the relative risks (advertised relative risk ratio 1:~20, real world relative risk ratio 1:~3)

Keeping in mind that theses were relative risk ratios, we'd need to know the absolute risk before we can consider the actual absolute risk reduction benefit.

I know, I know, Brian will say I am stuck in their paradigm, and the mandates were unconsciable regardless, but I just wanted to restate that numbers did not justify mandates even if Brian has shown Berensons inflated claims (mirroring? the Pharma MSM) are untenable.

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It honestly feels as if the COVID skeptic side is in a precarious position. It doesn't seem like much headway is being made regarding any reconciliation over the mass vaccinations and the adverse events. Because of this there seems to be some strange scramble going on, with lots of infighting and a need to hark on points that seem rather moot at this point. What utility is there to pushing the idea of no efficacy, vaccine shedding, or things like that at this point when there are likely to be better points to be made?

This is probably why we are seeing this surge in fringe ideas or conspiracies, or even absurd claims being taken as fact. It's weird to see all of these things happening, and yet it's a likely consequence of any movement that may fizzle out and needs to find a way to sustain itself, because irrespective of the comments suggesting "we are winning" I really don't see much of anything happening any time soon.

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