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Pete Lincoln's avatar

A few issues

1. They only tested those with COVID symptoms and the trial was technically unblinded because placebo was actually saline for the first time in vaccine history (or 2nd). Participants and trial staff could reasonably guess which they got based on severity adverse events . Those suspecting they did not got the real thing would be more likely to report COVID symptoms. Also those getting the real stuff probably needed pain relief for the AE which may have masked COVID symptoms.

2. Why do you think they didn't just give everyone a weekly PCR test. They couldn't afford it?

3. There are other studies showing an increase in infections after the first dose.

4. The vaccine in the trial was not the same as in the real world. They switched from circular DNA in the process for the trial to linear DNA in mass production and the final product had more truncated mRNA (which might be a good thing for safety but probably not efficacy)

5. Pfizer and Moderna both reported transient reduction in lymphocytes after any dose, and studies have shown that the early IgG antibodies after infection are afucosylated IgG which causes more serious COVID. This is why in almost every country that rolled out vaccines experienced a serious COVID outbreak with increased mortality right afterwards

6. We now know Pfizer covered up at least 2 serious AE, Maddie and that lady who came down with T-Cell Lymphoma after reporting a sore arm and swollen lymph node that required surgery. Both AE If reported might have put a halt on further authorizations but went down as stomach ache and sore arm and clear sailing ahead. Pfizer is a serial criminal offender and if it was a person it would be in prison. Instead it just pays fines that come out of shareholders dividends

I don't really think we need to worry about the Worry Window anymore since probably everyone has already been infected or vaccinated with 1 dose by now.

As to what effect IgG4 has on the chronically boosted, I am agnostic. Not really sure this is going to be a problem for most people although we need to see more data, especially for those boosting every 4-6 months

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Banta's avatar

Heh, it’s this sort of sloppiness that drove me to scale down my reading of the skeptic community. Not actually sure sloppiness is even the right word… although I sort of suspect that’s how tales like this one start. Someone noting that the definition of vaccinated isn’t met until weeks after the jab, finding a study that uses the same definition, and eventually that just becomes the convention that has to apply to all the numbers, regardless of whether that’s true or not. And once the concept has been birthed, you’re not putting that cat back in the bag (to mix metaphors for NO reason at all).

It’d be amusing if it wasn’t so tragic. Accuracy is distant second to narrative strength and basically all sides of every argument operate in a similar fashion. I hate being so cynical, but it’s sort of my default setting and there’s rarely little reason to move me off of “if a sizable group of people believe it to be true, then it’s probably wrong.”

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