The largest category is sinus rhythm with sinus arrhythmia. I expect sinus arrhythmia in healthy paediatric patients- it can be noted clinically either with the stethoscope or by assessment of pulse. The pre and post ECG's would need to be carefully compared for cases where it was noted; perhaps Dr. Hoeg looked at this if she had a complete data set.
re: male predominance.
This was explained as a testosterone effect on TMPRSS2 receptors which are increased with testosterone levels. In the original reviews, the spike protein (from Covid or injection) had an affinity for these receptors and caused the cellular damage. The interesting factoid was that menopausal women were also getting an increase of cardiac issues, but were dismissed as "normal" age-related disease. One needed large datasets to really show this, and the mechanism is the same, increased testosterone function as the oestrogen levels decrease. Most healthy males can probably recall the effects of the testosterone surge in the peripubertal years.
Well like Høeg's tweet alleges, the baseline rate of all abnormalities was 1%, so it seems like the after-injection abnormalities were all de novo.
I'm always a bit hesitant to latch onto hormone etiologies. Loads of adult men take supplemental testosterone these days, and yet the age-separated results for women do indeed show more extra post-virus myocarditis events than younger women (https://unglossed.substack.com/p/reversal). But I don't really have a strong argument here. It's more like a "well if the virus is going to kill in a boring way, I stop wanting to read about it," haha.
Yes - in the sense that even if subclinical myocarditis / cardiomyocyte destruction is not widespread, it is merely the avatar for an array of cardiac symptoms which *are* widespread, possibly on the order of 1/5 recipients.
I wrote to the main author (Mansanguan) and asked for the raw data and, remarkably, I now have it. I'd love your take on it, are you interested and how can I get it to you?
You’re the first person I’ve heard besides myself talking about how myocarditis is proximally caused by exploding heart cells, which results in permanent heart damage. Nice work!
My thoughts are in Armor of Lies II: Abomination (time index 18:35-21:20)
Yeah - generally I favor more simplistic models absent evidence for more complex ones, and also, I don't think any kind of immune sensitization model explains the sex disparity. Teen boys just have more heart cells as a portion of overall cells than other groups, so it's more likely that mRNA ends up inside more heart cells, has always been my take.
My young teen is unvaxxed. He had CoVid. About 2 weeks after he was swimming laps and had an episode of chest pain. I took him to the ER and his HST was 14. This seemed to be right on the bubble for the staff and they were not sure if there was an issue or not. They did every single bedside cardiology test on him and sent all his data up to the cardiology fellow. We were sent home with a Dx of chest pain and I was told if it happened again to bring him back right away. We got him an Apple Watch to track things and he did have a slightly elevated HR in the few weeks that followed but all seems normal now (except his HRV ... which is quite low for a healthy active kid his age). He was not overly sick with his bout of CoVid. He had 2 days of 99 fever which he just played normally and one day of quite a high fever where he rested and drank lots of fluids and took his supplements etc. He seemed a little tired after but not overly so considering how active he is with riding bikes and roller blading and swimming. I know the vax damage is WAY worse and way more common. But the virus itself seems to be able to hurt heart muscles as well, even in unvaxxed and healthy kids who didn’t even need medical care during their illness (no breathing issues or lung involvement at all Omicron wave).
As Jonathan says below, myocarditis is a rare outcome of many types of viral infections, certainly including SARS-CoV-2. Patone, et al. put it at 7 per million for men under 40 which still left the Pfizer 2nd dose as scoring higher even with their really low rate (since this is clinical/reported myocarditis) https://unglossed.substack.com/p/reversal#footnote-anchor-10
Troponin-T can also be elevated in heavy exercisers, though I wouldn't bet on it getting up to 14 just from exercise (I haven't looked at the numbers for that one). The virus can also disrupt the vagus nerve either directly or via autoimmune reactions or gut microbiome interactions (https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2021.698169/full - use a word search for vagus nerve as there's multiple relevant parts), and this could drive heartbeat irregularities which might involve some cellular damage during strenuous exercise, but maybe not show up as an ECG flag at rest - so there might be a need for a rest period as far as that (though swimming can certainly be non-cardio-intense).
I was just talking with another teen this weekend who both was about to be tracked to a more competitive training regimen before the lockdowns, and took a hit to lung function from her infection in the Delta era. Pretty sure she was unvaxxed since mentioned having an exemption of some kind (at UCSD).
I am guessing there was some post-viral autonomic nervous system issue (perhaps some heart beat irregularities) and when he was doing laps it caused some kind of isolated event due to the combination of post viral lingering issues and the strenuous exercise. I also know a child who got CoVid prior to vaccine roll out and had pericarditis from it. I don’t know a million children so I am wondering if the cardiac damage from just the virus is more than previous viruses?
They did every bedside test on him and sent it up to the fellow and they seemed to rule out myocarditis for him based on all the other tests. The repeat test the following day had his Triponin level at 4.
He’s actually my healthiest kid of my three kids. He has never had any major health issues and has never ever needed any Rx medication, not even an antibiotic. To say the incident freaked me out is an understatement.
I read the book The Invisible Kingdom about chronic health issues (Lyme and similar) and one of the things she noted was post viral changes in how people breathe. She mentioned a breathwork app and program called Stasis that is being used for Long Haulers with a lot of success that targets autonomic nervous system recovery. That will be part of his fall homeschooling curriculum ... and I am learning vagus nerve things in my Mast Cell recovery course.
He seems *fine* but he also seemed fine before the incident. I hope he’s fine. He’s a kid with world changer potential.
Was the pericarditis within 28 days of a positive test? There's the question of whether most post-infection -carditis is missed due to the timing used in these large database analyses.
How viruses manifest as disease is as much about the host as the bug. Examples include the adenovirus hepatitis outbreak which seems to be a result of immune debt from locking kids down.
So most coronaviruses are encountered in childhood and I think it's plausible that there's just less detection of some of the nervous and systemic impacts (for example, I've speculated that kids might have limited taste pallets because they are still healing from viral damage). Then afterward, we are protected by the immune recognition built in childhood. So we should certainly expect that a coronavirus with an unfamiliar design will have more adverse effects simply by removing that adaptive immune protection. That, rather than any intrinsic pathogenicity gain, may be all that is going on.
Yeah. This young girl had the pericarditis immediately following her infection.
I don’t know what to really think about the whole big picture. All I know is that when CoVid (Omicron) hit our unvaxxed household ... 3/5 of us had some weird and concerning lingering issues. It doesn’t *feel* like a normal cold/flu to me. I had to go into intermittent fasting to get rid of the neurological issues I had and I still have some body aches. Nothing horrible but just a pain level that is up a few notches from before on my bum shoulder.
I was a classroom teacher for a decade and caught all manner of colds and flus. This was totally different to me. It sucked. I don’t want it again. But we’ll likely face it again. I’m worried about cumulative spike protein damage.
I had two days of brain fog after (presumed) BA.1 Omicron. So far have ridden out the California BA.4/5 wave with 100s of likely exposures and nothing. But I've also had lots of sun. Maybe a re-encounter this winter will play differently.
So for now I'm leaning to my initial hunch that the primary immune evasion "trick" Omicron pulled was changing tissue tropism and new variants shouldn't be able to repeat that (now that tissue-resident T Cells probably have the whole respiratory / GI tract covered at this point) - https://unglossed.substack.com/p/rashocron - "Even if BA.2 rewrites the spike protein from scratch, there is a limit to how many ways the story of a “respiratory infection” can be told. For SARS-CoV-2, that limit may have already been reached."
I sure hope you are right as we head into fall and return to school. We are pretty deliberate about getting sun every day as well as sun exposure at sunrise and sunset for our circadian rhythms.
Glad to hear he is doing well. Myocarditis has been associated with many viral infections - not just covid, so it does occur regularly. Recent studies (eg Israel) have not actually found evidence of a particular association with covid, and myocarditis wasn't really "a thing" prior to the rollout of the mRNA products.
I've read through this a few times Brian. I cannot imagine what the parents of these boys are feeling. It's horrific and that's an understatement. I have a 13 year old nephew who's been shot up and boosted. He's a young athlete. I have to figure out how to tell my brother about this. Thank you for reporting on it. I've learned I can trust your stack for fair analysis and that's pretty unusual.
Thank you for saying so - since I don't have any credentials besides "official pretend biologist," getting it not-wrong half the time is the only way I can build reader trust.
Sorry to hear about the nephew - I continue to wonder about the "hot lot" question, or rather if some lots were more frequently spoiled, hopefully sparing a lot of damage (and explaining why I don't see any teens keeling over here in San Diego as they spikeball on the beach).
That we don't see it happening en masse, that on the whole, people seem to be muddling through ok, makes this feel like watching a science fiction movie. You come out of storyland blinking in the daylight and glad reality is so "dull". And yet...a 33 year old woman dying suddenly of colorectal cancer, 38 year old hanging herself when her breast cancer accelerates, neighbor and friend glad to have booster dying a week later of cardiac arrest, death of acquaintance's brother of fast moving bladder cancer all since the boosters out. It's this that gives me the feeling of being on a tightrope between two worlds.
Good point about the lot to lot variations. Now that would be a real study.
That seems to relate to diagnosis of acute coronary syndrome though in which because of the mechanism (blockage of an artery) you'd get a heterogenous response - either a large amount of heart muscle damage or not.
I think it must be different with myoacrditis where we are concerned with identifying any myocardial damage at all, not screening for MI as a differential diagnosis.
Right, for ACS there is the question of differentiating between other cardiac events that can present the same way. And really here, sub-clinical “myocarditis” isn’t being used in a strict sense since a hsTnT-based diagnosis says nothing about inflammation. Really just referring to damaged heart cells, which hsTnT can be used quantitatively to assess (but with more noise below 13 per the given CV=10 level).
Precisely - but actually cardiac and non-cardiac events. ("Indigestion or cardiac in origin") is the first question an ER doc wants to know the answer to for someone with chect pain.
99% of healthy controls have a value (on that test) of 13 or below. So it has high negative prediction value when used to rule our myocardial infarction as the cause of chest pain.
But that's because an arterial blockage is an "all or nothing" event which will always cause qyuite significant elevations.
So if troponin doesn't reach 14 it's highly unlikely that chest pain resembling an MI has a cardiac origin.
That does not mean that when following mRNA injection, a tropin below 14 means it is highly unlikely that there is myocardial damage.
Thank you - looks like Dr Been hit on it yesterday as well. Technically the trials were such a study, with regular serology before and after injection, except (in the Pfizer case) the only injury screened for was liver / kidney. But all those samples could have been retested for cardiac markers at any time, presumably.
They knew about the risk of myocarditis in young males before they issued the EUA for 12-17 and before they finished clinical trials 5-11 or started them for 6 month-4 yrs.
Yet FDA did not require them to test trial participants for Troponin levels (trial sizes were very small). It may have been too late for 12-17 primary series trial but not the booster trial.
Why is this? Because they no doubt knew what the results would be. Justice will not be served unless these people are prosecuted
Billions of shots given, but they could only produce one reasonably good study on myocarditis now- 1.75 years later.... and worse, myocarditis was pretty obviously a concern very early on. This study could also be improved if they did not only before and after the first dose, but also 14 and 28 days post 2nd dose.
I think that's a good suggestion. The only thing is, 96% of the 11-16 year olds in my area are already vaccinated (insert shocked/freaked out emoji here). Even more annoying is- I brought up myocarditis and pericarditis right at the beginning....he said my stats were bogus (I was using Tracey Høeg). These people literally don't have any synapses firing anymore, they just read from a CDC Cliff's Notes.
I have a tendency to argue my point with guys like that, politely but firmly cite my sources and don't back down. It doesn't make me any friends, but they back off.
I am glad you didn't get your children vaccinated. A lot of doctors are not that smart - they just come from a background that allowed them to do the study. Others are more interested in the money than healing people. I don't like doctors and their opinions cannot be trusted.
I'm carrying resentment of doctors but it's unfair really, class them all as lazy bastards. I think of the wonderful healers I've been graced with: cardiologist (AFib), ophthalmic plastic surgeon (cancer), orthopedic surgeon (fusions in spine). These men weren't in it just for a buck. I can forgive them if they got sucked into the covid vax trance. I do struggle with resentment of doctors in general over this vax mess but when I think of them individually I can only name a few bona fide bullies and jerks that I've met personally. The picture is complex, just like human nature.
Do any of us do something in every unfair or unjust situation? We can't depend on doctors to stand up if we're too chicken hearted, lazy or stupid to raise a finger for ourselves.
The problem is that virtually none of them did. And in these times unless you are a doctor people will just say you are not qualified to have an opinion. Doctors are responsible for giving my child a heart condition (from the vaccine). You cannot be more evil than that.
I'd go further and say Americans want to have a pill or procedure for everything and we must be thinking we'll beat death that way too. Depressed? Take a pill even though nothing ever works better than placebo. Obese? Take semaglutide, even though that can cause gastric distress, hair loss and depression. The list is endless. We the public have brought this on ourselves. I think doctors are often afraid not to push pills. The last thing they'll try is to say: try counseling, or go to confession and get counseled by a trusted priest, stop and think about what you're eating. We expect them to fix it with a shot or pill and get upset when they don't.
if this study is just the tip of the iceberg ... they are seeing the bodies coming like never before. there was a german oncologist 40 years of experience, going over few thousand cases she had seen .... huge fast cancers never happening before.
I've been seeing many people killed by sudden cancers. My city just saw a 38 year old woman hang herself because her breast cancer had gone from stage 2 to stage 4 in a flash. She was beautiful, gentle and intelligent but she took the shots. To me she symbolizes the evil done in this vax putsch. She was trying to do the right thing, then failed when the right thing grew fangs and went for her. I know so many people seriously injured by these shots. It makes each day a struggle.
those that you know that are seriously injured: presumably it's because they acknowledge the injuries to be 'vaccine'-related? I ask because too many doctors, and individuals that gladly lined up for these shots, simply deny any post-shot issues may well be due to the products. They instead blame it on covid itself or some other 'chance' scenario (and in a number of cases, this may be true). For these reasons it's a challenge to know, even generally, how many have truly been harmed by these shots (not to mention the lack of any formal reporting process post-injection); there is no incentive for health practitioners to report to VAERS, etc.
A late reply.
re: 18% abnormal ECG's.
The largest category is sinus rhythm with sinus arrhythmia. I expect sinus arrhythmia in healthy paediatric patients- it can be noted clinically either with the stethoscope or by assessment of pulse. The pre and post ECG's would need to be carefully compared for cases where it was noted; perhaps Dr. Hoeg looked at this if she had a complete data set.
re: male predominance.
This was explained as a testosterone effect on TMPRSS2 receptors which are increased with testosterone levels. In the original reviews, the spike protein (from Covid or injection) had an affinity for these receptors and caused the cellular damage. The interesting factoid was that menopausal women were also getting an increase of cardiac issues, but were dismissed as "normal" age-related disease. One needed large datasets to really show this, and the mechanism is the same, increased testosterone function as the oestrogen levels decrease. Most healthy males can probably recall the effects of the testosterone surge in the peripubertal years.
Well like Høeg's tweet alleges, the baseline rate of all abnormalities was 1%, so it seems like the after-injection abnormalities were all de novo.
I'm always a bit hesitant to latch onto hormone etiologies. Loads of adult men take supplemental testosterone these days, and yet the age-separated results for women do indeed show more extra post-virus myocarditis events than younger women (https://unglossed.substack.com/p/reversal). But I don't really have a strong argument here. It's more like a "well if the virus is going to kill in a boring way, I stop wanting to read about it," haha.
Another point in favour of the "tip of the iceberg" theory: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712 from last year.
Yes - in the sense that even if subclinical myocarditis / cardiomyocyte destruction is not widespread, it is merely the avatar for an array of cardiac symptoms which *are* widespread, possibly on the order of 1/5 recipients.
VAXX BIO WEAPON - thats it and thats all.
I wrote to the main author (Mansanguan) and asked for the raw data and, remarkably, I now have it. I'd love your take on it, are you interested and how can I get it to you?
I would love to take a look - I am at brianmmowrey@gmail.com
Thank you, was a very interesting summary on the new Thai study. Subscribed!
You’re the first person I’ve heard besides myself talking about how myocarditis is proximally caused by exploding heart cells, which results in permanent heart damage. Nice work!
My thoughts are in Armor of Lies II: Abomination (time index 18:35-21:20)
https://rumble.com/v1dyk9p-armor-of-lies-part-2-an-abomination-of-medicine.html
Yeah - generally I favor more simplistic models absent evidence for more complex ones, and also, I don't think any kind of immune sensitization model explains the sex disparity. Teen boys just have more heart cells as a portion of overall cells than other groups, so it's more likely that mRNA ends up inside more heart cells, has always been my take.
My young teen is unvaxxed. He had CoVid. About 2 weeks after he was swimming laps and had an episode of chest pain. I took him to the ER and his HST was 14. This seemed to be right on the bubble for the staff and they were not sure if there was an issue or not. They did every single bedside cardiology test on him and sent all his data up to the cardiology fellow. We were sent home with a Dx of chest pain and I was told if it happened again to bring him back right away. We got him an Apple Watch to track things and he did have a slightly elevated HR in the few weeks that followed but all seems normal now (except his HRV ... which is quite low for a healthy active kid his age). He was not overly sick with his bout of CoVid. He had 2 days of 99 fever which he just played normally and one day of quite a high fever where he rested and drank lots of fluids and took his supplements etc. He seemed a little tired after but not overly so considering how active he is with riding bikes and roller blading and swimming. I know the vax damage is WAY worse and way more common. But the virus itself seems to be able to hurt heart muscles as well, even in unvaxxed and healthy kids who didn’t even need medical care during their illness (no breathing issues or lung involvement at all Omicron wave).
There is no covid to get. He probably had the vaxx bio weapon shed onto him by school mates or other adults that were vaxxed.
As Jonathan says below, myocarditis is a rare outcome of many types of viral infections, certainly including SARS-CoV-2. Patone, et al. put it at 7 per million for men under 40 which still left the Pfizer 2nd dose as scoring higher even with their really low rate (since this is clinical/reported myocarditis) https://unglossed.substack.com/p/reversal#footnote-anchor-10
Troponin-T can also be elevated in heavy exercisers, though I wouldn't bet on it getting up to 14 just from exercise (I haven't looked at the numbers for that one). The virus can also disrupt the vagus nerve either directly or via autoimmune reactions or gut microbiome interactions (https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2021.698169/full - use a word search for vagus nerve as there's multiple relevant parts), and this could drive heartbeat irregularities which might involve some cellular damage during strenuous exercise, but maybe not show up as an ECG flag at rest - so there might be a need for a rest period as far as that (though swimming can certainly be non-cardio-intense).
I was just talking with another teen this weekend who both was about to be tracked to a more competitive training regimen before the lockdowns, and took a hit to lung function from her infection in the Delta era. Pretty sure she was unvaxxed since mentioned having an exemption of some kind (at UCSD).
Total BS. There is NO VIRUS. There is only the VAXX BIO WEAPON.
I am guessing there was some post-viral autonomic nervous system issue (perhaps some heart beat irregularities) and when he was doing laps it caused some kind of isolated event due to the combination of post viral lingering issues and the strenuous exercise. I also know a child who got CoVid prior to vaccine roll out and had pericarditis from it. I don’t know a million children so I am wondering if the cardiac damage from just the virus is more than previous viruses?
They did every bedside test on him and sent it up to the fellow and they seemed to rule out myocarditis for him based on all the other tests. The repeat test the following day had his Triponin level at 4.
He’s actually my healthiest kid of my three kids. He has never had any major health issues and has never ever needed any Rx medication, not even an antibiotic. To say the incident freaked me out is an understatement.
I read the book The Invisible Kingdom about chronic health issues (Lyme and similar) and one of the things she noted was post viral changes in how people breathe. She mentioned a breathwork app and program called Stasis that is being used for Long Haulers with a lot of success that targets autonomic nervous system recovery. That will be part of his fall homeschooling curriculum ... and I am learning vagus nerve things in my Mast Cell recovery course.
He seems *fine* but he also seemed fine before the incident. I hope he’s fine. He’s a kid with world changer potential.
Was the pericarditis within 28 days of a positive test? There's the question of whether most post-infection -carditis is missed due to the timing used in these large database analyses.
How viruses manifest as disease is as much about the host as the bug. Examples include the adenovirus hepatitis outbreak which seems to be a result of immune debt from locking kids down.
So most coronaviruses are encountered in childhood and I think it's plausible that there's just less detection of some of the nervous and systemic impacts (for example, I've speculated that kids might have limited taste pallets because they are still healing from viral damage). Then afterward, we are protected by the immune recognition built in childhood. So we should certainly expect that a coronavirus with an unfamiliar design will have more adverse effects simply by removing that adaptive immune protection. That, rather than any intrinsic pathogenicity gain, may be all that is going on.
OTOH, maybe not...
Yeah. This young girl had the pericarditis immediately following her infection.
I don’t know what to really think about the whole big picture. All I know is that when CoVid (Omicron) hit our unvaxxed household ... 3/5 of us had some weird and concerning lingering issues. It doesn’t *feel* like a normal cold/flu to me. I had to go into intermittent fasting to get rid of the neurological issues I had and I still have some body aches. Nothing horrible but just a pain level that is up a few notches from before on my bum shoulder.
I was a classroom teacher for a decade and caught all manner of colds and flus. This was totally different to me. It sucked. I don’t want it again. But we’ll likely face it again. I’m worried about cumulative spike protein damage.
I had two days of brain fog after (presumed) BA.1 Omicron. So far have ridden out the California BA.4/5 wave with 100s of likely exposures and nothing. But I've also had lots of sun. Maybe a re-encounter this winter will play differently.
So for now I'm leaning to my initial hunch that the primary immune evasion "trick" Omicron pulled was changing tissue tropism and new variants shouldn't be able to repeat that (now that tissue-resident T Cells probably have the whole respiratory / GI tract covered at this point) - https://unglossed.substack.com/p/rashocron - "Even if BA.2 rewrites the spike protein from scratch, there is a limit to how many ways the story of a “respiratory infection” can be told. For SARS-CoV-2, that limit may have already been reached."
I sure hope you are right as we head into fall and return to school. We are pretty deliberate about getting sun every day as well as sun exposure at sunrise and sunset for our circadian rhythms.
Glad to hear he is doing well. Myocarditis has been associated with many viral infections - not just covid, so it does occur regularly. Recent studies (eg Israel) have not actually found evidence of a particular association with covid, and myocarditis wasn't really "a thing" prior to the rollout of the mRNA products.
Hope he continues to be well.
I've read through this a few times Brian. I cannot imagine what the parents of these boys are feeling. It's horrific and that's an understatement. I have a 13 year old nephew who's been shot up and boosted. He's a young athlete. I have to figure out how to tell my brother about this. Thank you for reporting on it. I've learned I can trust your stack for fair analysis and that's pretty unusual.
Thank you for saying so - since I don't have any credentials besides "official pretend biologist," getting it not-wrong half the time is the only way I can build reader trust.
Sorry to hear about the nephew - I continue to wonder about the "hot lot" question, or rather if some lots were more frequently spoiled, hopefully sparing a lot of damage (and explaining why I don't see any teens keeling over here in San Diego as they spikeball on the beach).
That we don't see it happening en masse, that on the whole, people seem to be muddling through ok, makes this feel like watching a science fiction movie. You come out of storyland blinking in the daylight and glad reality is so "dull". And yet...a 33 year old woman dying suddenly of colorectal cancer, 38 year old hanging herself when her breast cancer accelerates, neighbor and friend glad to have booster dying a week later of cardiac arrest, death of acquaintance's brother of fast moving bladder cancer all since the boosters out. It's this that gives me the feeling of being on a tightrope between two worlds.
Good point about the lot to lot variations. Now that would be a real study.
Re the 13 pc/ml cut-off see: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.109.893826
That seems to relate to diagnosis of acute coronary syndrome though in which because of the mechanism (blockage of an artery) you'd get a heterogenous response - either a large amount of heart muscle damage or not.
I think it must be different with myoacrditis where we are concerned with identifying any myocardial damage at all, not screening for MI as a differential diagnosis.
Right, for ACS there is the question of differentiating between other cardiac events that can present the same way. And really here, sub-clinical “myocarditis” isn’t being used in a strict sense since a hsTnT-based diagnosis says nothing about inflammation. Really just referring to damaged heart cells, which hsTnT can be used quantitatively to assess (but with more noise below 13 per the given CV=10 level).
Precisely - but actually cardiac and non-cardiac events. ("Indigestion or cardiac in origin") is the first question an ER doc wants to know the answer to for someone with chect pain.
So if I read that correctly, 13 is the cut off number for healthy controls for a HST test?
99% of healthy controls have a value (on that test) of 13 or below. So it has high negative prediction value when used to rule our myocardial infarction as the cause of chest pain.
But that's because an arterial blockage is an "all or nothing" event which will always cause qyuite significant elevations.
So if troponin doesn't reach 14 it's highly unlikely that chest pain resembling an MI has a cardiac origin.
That does not mean that when following mRNA injection, a tropin below 14 means it is highly unlikely that there is myocardial damage.
The 2 use cases are entirelty different.
See my comment at bottom of the thread and let me know what you think. Thanks.
Amazing work, thank you.
Here is a great video from British doctor, John Campbell, that does a wonderful job of explaining the above for a simple layman like myself :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekTR0w2M9-U
EDIT: Note how the good doctor is aghast at how this is the only study of its kind in the world.
Thank you - looks like Dr Been hit on it yesterday as well. Technically the trials were such a study, with regular serology before and after injection, except (in the Pfizer case) the only injury screened for was liver / kidney. But all those samples could have been retested for cardiac markers at any time, presumably.
They knew about the risk of myocarditis in young males before they issued the EUA for 12-17 and before they finished clinical trials 5-11 or started them for 6 month-4 yrs.
Yet FDA did not require them to test trial participants for Troponin levels (trial sizes were very small). It may have been too late for 12-17 primary series trial but not the booster trial.
Why is this? Because they no doubt knew what the results would be. Justice will not be served unless these people are prosecuted
Billions of shots given, but they could only produce one reasonably good study on myocarditis now- 1.75 years later.... and worse, myocarditis was pretty obviously a concern very early on. This study could also be improved if they did not only before and after the first dose, but also 14 and 28 days post 2nd dose.
1 in 30 or 1 in 3. It doesn't really matter - this vaccine is not safe. It is truly confronting how the USA is no longer capable of basic science.
If I hand this study to my pediatrician, who tried to berate me into having my kids vaccinated, what will he say?
I'd go ahead and show it to him. It may end up saving lives.
I think that's a good suggestion. The only thing is, 96% of the 11-16 year olds in my area are already vaccinated (insert shocked/freaked out emoji here). Even more annoying is- I brought up myocarditis and pericarditis right at the beginning....he said my stats were bogus (I was using Tracey Høeg). These people literally don't have any synapses firing anymore, they just read from a CDC Cliff's Notes.
I have a tendency to argue my point with guys like that, politely but firmly cite my sources and don't back down. It doesn't make me any friends, but they back off.
For what it's worth I've been telling doctors I took ivermectin for covid. I catch more shit for that from laymen than from doctors these days.
Interesting. Maybe a renewed interest with all of the Omicron cases and their sad befuddled faces are looking for different treatments....
I am glad you didn't get your children vaccinated. A lot of doctors are not that smart - they just come from a background that allowed them to do the study. Others are more interested in the money than healing people. I don't like doctors and their opinions cannot be trusted.
I'm carrying resentment of doctors but it's unfair really, class them all as lazy bastards. I think of the wonderful healers I've been graced with: cardiologist (AFib), ophthalmic plastic surgeon (cancer), orthopedic surgeon (fusions in spine). These men weren't in it just for a buck. I can forgive them if they got sucked into the covid vax trance. I do struggle with resentment of doctors in general over this vax mess but when I think of them individually I can only name a few bona fide bullies and jerks that I've met personally. The picture is complex, just like human nature.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men (people) to do nothing.
Do any of us do something in every unfair or unjust situation? We can't depend on doctors to stand up if we're too chicken hearted, lazy or stupid to raise a finger for ourselves.
The problem is that virtually none of them did. And in these times unless you are a doctor people will just say you are not qualified to have an opinion. Doctors are responsible for giving my child a heart condition (from the vaccine). You cannot be more evil than that.
I'd go further and say Americans want to have a pill or procedure for everything and we must be thinking we'll beat death that way too. Depressed? Take a pill even though nothing ever works better than placebo. Obese? Take semaglutide, even though that can cause gastric distress, hair loss and depression. The list is endless. We the public have brought this on ourselves. I think doctors are often afraid not to push pills. The last thing they'll try is to say: try counseling, or go to confession and get counseled by a trusted priest, stop and think about what you're eating. We expect them to fix it with a shot or pill and get upset when they don't.
if this study is just the tip of the iceberg ... they are seeing the bodies coming like never before. there was a german oncologist 40 years of experience, going over few thousand cases she had seen .... huge fast cancers never happening before.
I've been seeing many people killed by sudden cancers. My city just saw a 38 year old woman hang herself because her breast cancer had gone from stage 2 to stage 4 in a flash. She was beautiful, gentle and intelligent but she took the shots. To me she symbolizes the evil done in this vax putsch. She was trying to do the right thing, then failed when the right thing grew fangs and went for her. I know so many people seriously injured by these shots. It makes each day a struggle.
those that you know that are seriously injured: presumably it's because they acknowledge the injuries to be 'vaccine'-related? I ask because too many doctors, and individuals that gladly lined up for these shots, simply deny any post-shot issues may well be due to the products. They instead blame it on covid itself or some other 'chance' scenario (and in a number of cases, this may be true). For these reasons it's a challenge to know, even generally, how many have truly been harmed by these shots (not to mention the lack of any formal reporting process post-injection); there is no incentive for health practitioners to report to VAERS, etc.
many people understand whats going on