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Markael Luterra's avatar

Thanks for your well-reasoned take on this, and for a more helpful explanation of how "natural antibodies" work than Geert has ever offered.

Although I think your two possible explanations probably rank higher at this point, I would like to offer a third that may rise in relevance as more people get 3, 4, or more injections of the same genetic spike vaccines.

Specific Spike Tolerance

Foreign proteins can function as both antigens (generating an antibody and inflammatory response) and tolerogens (generating a tolerance response that inhibits inflammation). We are constantly exposed to foreign proteins that are not associated with pathogens, and when our immune system treats them as antigens the result is an allergic reaction.

Allergic reactions can often be treated by regular controlled injections of the offending protein, which activates tolerance mechanisms. I had this experience personally after developing an allergy to bee stings, which was successfully treated by allergy shots.

My concern is that the mechanism of delivery of the spike protein in genetic vaccination does not "look" to the immune system like a viral infection, and also that the ensuing antigenic response and attack on spike beating cells "looks" like an autoimmune reaction.

One expected outcome of this, which would be exacerbated by boosters, would be the activation of tolerance pathways that counteract and ultimately downregulate the initial immune response to spike protein, even as antibody levels remain high and receive a boost upon further injections.

The cells to keep an eye on here are regulatory T cells (Tregs or FoxP3+), which are well studied in cancer research (because they can prevent the immune system from recognizing and destroying metaplastic cells) but so far not much examined in the context of SARS-CoV2 vaccination.

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Stoichastic's avatar

Given the freshly jabbed are

1. not sequestered from society

2. probably jabbed in high viral load/dose traffic locales

3. human, and unlikely to retain the "I am not vaccinated [sic] until 14 days time" info in their "jabbed = freedom" minds...

I would seriously love to see the stats of that 1-14 day post jab VE rate and the impact in general on cases, etc. It almost feels like cheating to exclude that period of time.

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