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Markael Luterra's avatar

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ADE is what everyone is expecting, but the storm is often not what is expected. Those facing a hurricane fear the wind but more often drown.

Thanks for your unique perspectives. I share your concerns with regard to cancer, and I can find no real-time source for cancer diagnosis numbers so it appears we will be reliant on anecdote until the 2021 numbers are compiled in January. Cancer is increasingly appearing as a topic in John Michael Greer's weekly covid discussion board.

Here's a comment I shared there this week, as food for thought for your upcoming cancer post.

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I would not expect the vaccines to directly cause mutations leading to cancer, but they could easily cause the immune system to miss nascent cancers or to be weakened in its fight against existing cancers. In fact I would not be at all surprised if this is an unfortunate side effect of genetic vaccines in general.

Consider that within the innate immune system are cells (natural killer cells and killer T cells) whose mission includes patrolling the body for cancer cells and destroying them. The signal they are searching for is unusual proteins on the cell surface.

Now let's inject an mRNA or viral vector vaccine that hijacks thousands of cells so that they produce strange surface proteins.

This will have two likely outcomes, both of them bad:

1. The killer cells are overwhelmed by the sudden appearance of thousands of aberrant cells, and in the chaos they fail to find new developing cancers or to fight existing cancers.

2. The body recognizes a large-scale self-attack and downregulates the killer cells or signals them to back off, assuming some sort of autoimmune dysfunction is underway. This would fall under the umbrella of "tolerance" and would also lead to a weakened immune response to nascent and existing cancers which could last well beyond the departure of the spike protein from the body.

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Now combine immune tolerance/exhaustion with widespread deployment of a directly mutagenic new drug, and we might unfortunately have a perfect storm on our hands.

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I’m bored with Berenson. His appearance on Bro Rogaine (Joe Rogan) was lackluster. Then he attempted to be spooky about vaccines on Tucker. It’s almost as if he is making the media rounds for upcoming book(not buying it) release. He seems preoccupied with being the one who finally puts the coffin nail into c19 vaccines. This will never happen and is a waste of time. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn he is triple jabbed. Writers like eugyppius, although thoughtful, are swept up in this dialogue which ultimately underwhelms. The data that does come out is convoluted. Made more so as individuals like elgatomalo apply their hands to it with more math. At this point the pro vax crowd is all in. If you told them the vaccines would kill them in 18 months but they wouldn’t get c19 the uptake would likely be the same. Our situation now is one of wait and see. As you mentioned I’m more concerned about mandates causing loss of work and then eventually civil war.

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