"...using host cells to produce a foreign antigen, absent associated molecular markers of viral infection, intrinsically risks tolerance: The immune system must associate spike protein with “self.”"
I get this is very important, the way I'm reading it is throwing me. The spike protein is the antigen? The way I'm reading this it would appear to imply that the foreign antigen produced by the host is "other", but I doubt this, so it could also mean it's just kind of null because it isn't prompted to be identified without infection markers. But then how does the immune system train on it? If that's too basic, I might be able to backwards engineer it from all this crap I barely understand. Just thought I'd ask while I'm commenting. A few birds eye reflections:
In any case, it can probably be stated that this technology does not properly value the phenomenological/existential positions of self and other and this violation of basic existential fact is making itself apparent in the most visible way one could imagine. There's a kind of poetry in that.
Also it's like this is applying cyber/information warfare principles to... well it wasn't a war to begin with, but what becomes a resource war. Especially if tolerance does increase viral load, infection and transmission. And it seems like by reducing disease it actually increases damage. And that seems like it prompts us to ask what disease is. Disease can be what the body does to minimize damage right?
The cytokine storm stuff has the taste of this too clever cyber-y thinking and it seems like I've you seen you point out it is one way of putting the pieces together.
I find this very optimistic; it feels like a fundamental limit to a potential avenue of exploitation.
I'm still trying to piece together whether cytokine storm has any validity in any other conditions except as a euphemism for sepsis. It's certainly anachronistic when applied to Spanish Flu. The term didn't exist before the 90s and took off with the 2005 bird flu scare. Here's the Wellcome Trust presciently taking an interest in 2012 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3294426/ And for SARS-CoV-2 it was part of how the illness was immediately "sold" by the first papers out of China. So, who knows, maybe emergent frat boy science too-cleverness, maybe part of the whole big op.
Antigen is a self-relative term, similar to "enemy." So I used to try to avoid using it for that reason. Anyway, any protein that your body hasn't been producing since birth, if injected especially, is going to create a new immune reaction upon encounter. If the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein were gene edited to be pumped out of your pancreas or whatever from birth then it wouldn't be an antigen anymore.
Viral proteins usually appear to the immune system (to APCs which then chaperon antigen to germinal center T Cells) in a milieu of molecular clues, like cell debris from destroyed cells. How are antigens processed beyond contextual molecular molecules? We don't know. You might worry about the immune system forming an IgE allergic reaction, but it seems like intrinsic properties of the protein also guide the response, so what seems to happen with inactivated virus vaccines or subunit vaccines is that the immune system makes an IgG response to the target viral or bacterial proteins (though I'm a bit skeptical that subunit vaccines have ever really worked, as opposed to just taking credit for things the immune system does in childhood anyway), and an IgE reaction to growth media proteins (food allergies etc.).
An interesting thought I just had... I was wondering what a global tolerance effect would do to the natural endemic cycles especially as I've painted it as you basically have a slop of virus continuously circulating because of these new prophylactic implementation (that if this is correct actually appears to work because of tolerance).
There could be precedent for this in the electricity causes disease stuff. I was reading "Invisible Rainbow" the other day and it was talking about Marconi doing the first large-scale wireless experiments on the Isle of Wright and the bees dying off there. They brought in more bees and they died off too! But the good news is if all the bees died off they at least came back enough to die off again (I'm serious; and of a flavor not unlike your debunking of antibiotics).
The main through-line with the Spanish influenza is the abnormal bleeding (which incidentally can be retrospectively attributed to "cytokine storms") which in Firstenberg's book appears to echo the nosebleeds that were recurrent throughout the preceding history of experimentation with electricity.
There were also a lot of cognitive effects associated with the ~1890 flu wave,, let's call it "modern flu" although generationally it was only those two waves, both likely H1N1 (although I think I saw something that suggested there may have been a COVID wave in there)... but anyway, people aren't bleeding out of their eyes from the flu today.
So if there is something to that, either for the bees or for the humans, then we have developed a "tolerance" to a field that had to be adapted to. Which to me, is just kind of modulating to a different background signal. Chemically it's basically the same, as I can tell you from my own experience one's cognitive faculties can be modulated to operate at a frequency that consensus guidelines say would put one in a coma.
Of course the flipside of this is it really is a wonder I don't have jaundice. And that directly parallels the genetic vaccine situation and myocarditis. If one were to situate COVID and genetic vaccines on a preliminary spectrum of tolerance, I would put them in between electricity and alcohol. And going off the bees, I would say COVID will just transpose its behavior to a different signal. Every time something steps there is some basic resilience lost, so the fragility goes up. And if tolerance becomes dependency, than down-stepping is a nightmare, but a brief one, because of the massive robustness already built in.
So that's my as above so below pseudo-systems theory take on tolerance.
2nd shot - that's why I put a from-dose-1 timeline over the main results since so many studies make figuring out actual draw dates etc. very difficult. The Science version of the paper finally consolidated the draw schedule into a table, and then it messed up the spacing lol.
"First, using host cells to produce a foreign antigen, absent associated molecular markers of viral infection, intrinsically risks tolerance: The immune system must associate spike protein with “self.” "
While I appreciate your crediting my tolerance hypothesis, I remain befuddled as to why among nearly eight billion humans very few people noticed this particular problem with genetic vaccination, particularly when repeated multiple times per year.
Something I've observed as allopathic paradigm policy ever since I began investigating all things vax, about 12 years ago.
They actually want to, but as we've seen with SARS-2, honest discussion, especially if it might be negative to the product or policies in any way, is heavily discouraged.
Sorry if I am not getting everything from this as it was so in depth - when I read the anecdotal reports like those you included in this article it sounds like covid is the cause of their death (which doesn't sound good, because everyone - vaxxed and unvaxxed - get covid.
But I think you are saying that they actually had a covid infection that never cleared, specifically because they were vaxxed. So therefore death is ultimately caused by the vaxx. Is that correct?
Correct. Though there have been some cases where, in young post infection sudden deaths (which is any sudden death at this point since everyone has been infected), it isn’t clear if person vaccinated = true. The facts are hazy.
"Our results provide preliminary evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was already circulating in Northern Italy by late 2019, with the first molecular evidence of infection dating to September 12th, 2019, and no PCR-positive result for any of the 191 samples collected before this date."
So, Military Games October 2019 was the release. Italy is full of Chinese workers and California full of Chinese college students, hence rapid appearnace of seropositivity in late 2019.
"Our results provide preliminary evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was already circulating in Northern Italy by late 2019, with the first molecular evidence of infection dating to September 12th, 2019"
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What a strange web has been woven, Senor Mowrey. Three years on...
And Crawford's anonymous industry acquaintance reporting an order to establish GMP for the Moderna LNP in October 2019 (19:30 of https://rumble.com/v20krs8-rte-discussions-16-examining-dod-involvement-in-the-pandemic-w-sasha-latypo.html). And Gates investing in Moderna exactly in whenever who cares. And the second of my links, a program launched by U of Oxford in October 2019 to take blood samples from kids for antibody tracking.
All the reports are bio-mechanistically well-described and plausible. A good bio-weapon (or the deployment of "effective" toxic drugs to fight the bio-weapon) that can increase symptom burden and reduce immune system function. AIDS is an example of how you can turn (or sell) a relatively harmless virus into a simmering endemic, international stew of diseases. The virus and the jabs are there to perpetuate a "state-of-emergency", to provide continued cover to perpetuated the bio-security state.
Fortunately, for Long-COVID, there are many immune system boosters that can alleviate symptoms and help repair neurological function. N-Acetyl cysteine and low-pressure hyperbaric oxygen have shown an ability to allow the immune system to do some serious clean up, without the high cytotoxic side effects and with the side benefit of reversing neurological disturbances.
"boosters _out_ to be far more destructive" you probably mean "ought" here.
" ... antibodies elicited _in_ by the first injection appear to ..."
Are you moving in the direction of "if they only reduced the number of mRNAs they are transfecting things might be OK?
"... the Covid-vaccinated do not experience the normal bouts of acute post-infection hypoxia and embolism associated with “Covid-19.”"
I have not been vaccinated nor have I been boosted, but I have not experienced any of those symptoms despite being out and about (sans mask) every day for the last three years. I got a virus in January of 2022 that sounds like SARS-CoV-2. I suppressed it within 24 hours but had a persistent dry cough for two weeks after that, sometimes bringing up some clear phlegm. Maybe I am just lucky and managed to avoid Covid-19 despite living in NorCal where we seemingly have high positive test rates. Maybe those symptoms only occur if you cannot fight off the initial infection. I take 6,000 IUs of D3 most days and 2,000 mg of Ascorbic Acid most days along with some Zinc but the CDC tells us there is no evidence that those help.
I guess we cannot be certain at this stage because much of the basic science seems to remain to be done and I am sure big-Pharma will fight to muddy the waters as long as they can.
"Are you moving in the direction of "if they only reduced the number of mRNAs they are transfecting things might be OK?"
No, just trying to describe the immunology accurately. But I don't port in the assumption that "vaccines always good," ie that anything immunogenic is a net positive even if severe efficacy is real (which it is), since obviously "net" positive can never just be assumed for anything. Besides, the article was already long and full of self-links to prior comment so I just wanted to keep that one simple.
I had a couple days of brain fog after my Omicron but really the sore throat was a bigger hassle. I HATE SORE THROATS MORE THAN DYING. So anyway, came out of Omi a lot better than Randy did despite similar age. Looks a lot like negative Long Covid efficacy to me.
Nothing for the infection in general except time lounging outdoors, happily it was sunny though cold. I had ivermectin on hand but this was already after FLCCC revised the guidance back to HCQ. And then a pack of cough drops.
I guess this makes the case to use ivermectin/HCQ on those vaxxed souls right from the batch to limit the possibility of the virus killing enough heart cells -- in case the above theory/article comes out true.
Personally if I were vaxxed my priority would be getting sudden death autopsies going to look for virus. But yeah after that probably would want to pop ivm like vitamins.
I was trying to recall the GC study since someone else brought it up and from my memory I believed it indicated the presence of mRNA and not necessarily the spike, and it was another study that suggested a longer existence of the spike so I was trying to remember the studies.
I'm personally hesitant to look at case studies that haven't been examined because it's always so hard to tell what other variables need to be looked at, but it's also a shame that this tends to be the only way to assess some of this information.
What's frustrating is that several of these cases may be used as indications that COVID is super deadly without looking at it from the context of the vaccines.
I personally would like some more information, but it'd be interesting to see studies that have looked closer into some of these cases.
The intrinsic problem with case studies is no denominator. If post-"breakthrough" infection death is rare enough in real life then essentially the case studies are false positives, ie coincidences. To use Beadman's example, it could be that the asymptomatic positive for SARS-CoV-2 had nothing to do with her cardiac crisis; just random timing. But that still leaves the problem of why the "dying suddenly" anecdotes accelerated after this summer. So you either have to take the infections as coincidental to that change in sudden-deaths or related.
Yeah I looked back at that post and saw the D60 detection, which I assumed came from the same lymph node from the D60 mRNA person, and so it was a positive for the one case examined at D60?
I wouldn't consider just coincidental, but in looking at a lot of this information I think we're overly conflated what it means to be healthy, so any comment that immediately suggests someone was "otherwise healthy" I've made a comment to someone once that several case studies (from things outside of COVID I believe) that will make comments such as "aside from the obesity the person was healthy".
Yeah, it doesn't work like that! But even to that, it's not as if some of these cases are inherently sudden deaths. If her heart began to fail that wouldn't consider that to be a sudden death, nor would many cases of cancer that are being pushed under the umbrella phrase of "died suddenly".
It would be interesting to see if more evidence comes in, but I suppose on a more humanity-based level I like to lean towards the idea that millions of people are not going to suddenly drop dead, but with everything we'll unfortunately have to see what happens, even as morbid of a situation this all is.
Squatchin Randy didn't get "long covid" after he got covid. He got it after getting vaccinated and boosted and THEN getting Omicron. Which is exactly what those studies show - that getting vaccinated, boosted, and then a breakthrough infection converts everything to IgG4. And he's so brainwashed he won't even connect it to the vaccines - and neither will his doctors, the so-called "experts" on Long Covid...so much so that he won't try ivermectin, an incredibly safe drug! Sooo infuriating to read! I feel bad for the guy but damn...brainwashed!
The PR Team is doing an excellent job of attributing vax injuries to Covid infections ... seems even an asymptomatic person can experience a severe vax injury .. ah I mean Covid injury .. ah... I have no idea what I mean.
Anyhow - expect more of this in 2023 which in the Chinese Calendar is referred to as The Year of the Grim Reaper
The media does seem to blend covid cases and long-covid cases regardless of vaccination status. Muddying the waters. Clearly, there are distinct, mechanistic differences.
The ivermectin "burn" was a sad touch. If Randy had been an early patient he might have been given some ivm; but Patterson says it didn't show much impact as time went on.
That is interesting but they tested the original SARS-CoV-2 spike and S1, not the jab version. It was the jab version that made me so sick, and nicotine helped within a day or two.
I will believe a test of the jab version only. It is worse than the infection. I had bowel symptoms with that in 2020 but my normal strategies worked within a couple weeks, no significant weight loss. We didn't see all the excess menstrual bleeding symptoms until jab season started.
"...using host cells to produce a foreign antigen, absent associated molecular markers of viral infection, intrinsically risks tolerance: The immune system must associate spike protein with “self.”"
I get this is very important, the way I'm reading it is throwing me. The spike protein is the antigen? The way I'm reading this it would appear to imply that the foreign antigen produced by the host is "other", but I doubt this, so it could also mean it's just kind of null because it isn't prompted to be identified without infection markers. But then how does the immune system train on it? If that's too basic, I might be able to backwards engineer it from all this crap I barely understand. Just thought I'd ask while I'm commenting. A few birds eye reflections:
In any case, it can probably be stated that this technology does not properly value the phenomenological/existential positions of self and other and this violation of basic existential fact is making itself apparent in the most visible way one could imagine. There's a kind of poetry in that.
Also it's like this is applying cyber/information warfare principles to... well it wasn't a war to begin with, but what becomes a resource war. Especially if tolerance does increase viral load, infection and transmission. And it seems like by reducing disease it actually increases damage. And that seems like it prompts us to ask what disease is. Disease can be what the body does to minimize damage right?
The cytokine storm stuff has the taste of this too clever cyber-y thinking and it seems like I've you seen you point out it is one way of putting the pieces together.
I find this very optimistic; it feels like a fundamental limit to a potential avenue of exploitation.
I'm still trying to piece together whether cytokine storm has any validity in any other conditions except as a euphemism for sepsis. It's certainly anachronistic when applied to Spanish Flu. The term didn't exist before the 90s and took off with the 2005 bird flu scare. Here's the Wellcome Trust presciently taking an interest in 2012 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3294426/ And for SARS-CoV-2 it was part of how the illness was immediately "sold" by the first papers out of China. So, who knows, maybe emergent frat boy science too-cleverness, maybe part of the whole big op.
Antigen is a self-relative term, similar to "enemy." So I used to try to avoid using it for that reason. Anyway, any protein that your body hasn't been producing since birth, if injected especially, is going to create a new immune reaction upon encounter. If the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein were gene edited to be pumped out of your pancreas or whatever from birth then it wouldn't be an antigen anymore.
Viral proteins usually appear to the immune system (to APCs which then chaperon antigen to germinal center T Cells) in a milieu of molecular clues, like cell debris from destroyed cells. How are antigens processed beyond contextual molecular molecules? We don't know. You might worry about the immune system forming an IgE allergic reaction, but it seems like intrinsic properties of the protein also guide the response, so what seems to happen with inactivated virus vaccines or subunit vaccines is that the immune system makes an IgG response to the target viral or bacterial proteins (though I'm a bit skeptical that subunit vaccines have ever really worked, as opposed to just taking credit for things the immune system does in childhood anyway), and an IgE reaction to growth media proteins (food allergies etc.).
An interesting thought I just had... I was wondering what a global tolerance effect would do to the natural endemic cycles especially as I've painted it as you basically have a slop of virus continuously circulating because of these new prophylactic implementation (that if this is correct actually appears to work because of tolerance).
There could be precedent for this in the electricity causes disease stuff. I was reading "Invisible Rainbow" the other day and it was talking about Marconi doing the first large-scale wireless experiments on the Isle of Wright and the bees dying off there. They brought in more bees and they died off too! But the good news is if all the bees died off they at least came back enough to die off again (I'm serious; and of a flavor not unlike your debunking of antibiotics).
The main through-line with the Spanish influenza is the abnormal bleeding (which incidentally can be retrospectively attributed to "cytokine storms") which in Firstenberg's book appears to echo the nosebleeds that were recurrent throughout the preceding history of experimentation with electricity.
There were also a lot of cognitive effects associated with the ~1890 flu wave,, let's call it "modern flu" although generationally it was only those two waves, both likely H1N1 (although I think I saw something that suggested there may have been a COVID wave in there)... but anyway, people aren't bleeding out of their eyes from the flu today.
So if there is something to that, either for the bees or for the humans, then we have developed a "tolerance" to a field that had to be adapted to. Which to me, is just kind of modulating to a different background signal. Chemically it's basically the same, as I can tell you from my own experience one's cognitive faculties can be modulated to operate at a frequency that consensus guidelines say would put one in a coma.
Of course the flipside of this is it really is a wonder I don't have jaundice. And that directly parallels the genetic vaccine situation and myocarditis. If one were to situate COVID and genetic vaccines on a preliminary spectrum of tolerance, I would put them in between electricity and alcohol. And going off the bees, I would say COVID will just transpose its behavior to a different signal. Every time something steps there is some basic resilience lost, so the fragility goes up. And if tolerance becomes dependency, than down-stepping is a nightmare, but a brief one, because of the massive robustness already built in.
So that's my as above so below pseudo-systems theory take on tolerance.
Reading the title I thought this was going to be about transsex operations.
very interesting take. This is going to complicate things even more if true, question is what the effect if true of this is.
I wish I understood this better.
One question, does Dose 2 refer to a first booster, or the second shot in the initial vaccination?
2nd shot - that's why I put a from-dose-1 timeline over the main results since so many studies make figuring out actual draw dates etc. very difficult. The Science version of the paper finally consolidated the draw schedule into a table, and then it messed up the spacing lol.
"First, using host cells to produce a foreign antigen, absent associated molecular markers of viral infection, intrinsically risks tolerance: The immune system must associate spike protein with “self.” "
While I appreciate your crediting my tolerance hypothesis, I remain befuddled as to why among nearly eight billion humans very few people noticed this particular problem with genetic vaccination, particularly when repeated multiple times per year.
Markael, hello, are you the person who wrote the Sep 2021 piece, mentioned in my article here:
https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/vaccine-induced-tolerance-to-spike
thanks
Hi Igor,
Yes that is me, I replied to your comment on my Substack last night at greater length.
How are the rest of us supposed to find that?
https://dendroica.substack.com/p/gratitude/comment/11583722
No one wants to pull at the string
Something I've observed as allopathic paradigm policy ever since I began investigating all things vax, about 12 years ago.
They actually want to, but as we've seen with SARS-2, honest discussion, especially if it might be negative to the product or policies in any way, is heavily discouraged.
😅 Loved this line - "In the wake of the Incredible New News About Tolerance based on the New News About..."
It’s still delicious even after being frozen for months - like a tater tots bag of Science
Sorry if I am not getting everything from this as it was so in depth - when I read the anecdotal reports like those you included in this article it sounds like covid is the cause of their death (which doesn't sound good, because everyone - vaxxed and unvaxxed - get covid.
But I think you are saying that they actually had a covid infection that never cleared, specifically because they were vaxxed. So therefore death is ultimately caused by the vaxx. Is that correct?
Correct. Though there have been some cases where, in young post infection sudden deaths (which is any sudden death at this point since everyone has been infected), it isn’t clear if person vaccinated = true. The facts are hazy.
You are a God amongst man.
Incredible post!!!!
Spammed it on Twitter
https://twitter.com/ichudov/status/1610084987763556352
Ah, thank you - I am glad I landed on that screen capture of the CDC video as the social media preview image just in time, haha.
"Irrgang, et al. makes it clear that even two doses is total antigen overkill"
That poor person. If he ever puts out a not very conclusive paper, his name screams for jokes, as it translates to "blind alley" or "going astray".
I think I'll trust Irr NICHT Gang with my IgG studies, thank you very MUCH.
Brian, wonder if you have any thoughts on this:
"Our results provide preliminary evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was already circulating in Northern Italy by late 2019, with the first molecular evidence of infection dating to September 12th, 2019, and no PCR-positive result for any of the 191 samples collected before this date."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935122013068
That's included in my timeline for emergence of the original and then B.1 strain, that I made for my failed attempt to prove the VOCs are also engineered - https://unglossed.substack.com/i/90500715/why-lambda-matters-for-a-lab-voc-origin
So B.1 is evolves late 2019 in Italy. But late 2019 is still the starting point because kids in England had 0 antibodies at that time https://unglossed.substack.com/i/76838100/the-results
So, Military Games October 2019 was the release. Italy is full of Chinese workers and California full of Chinese college students, hence rapid appearnace of seropositivity in late 2019.
"The World Military Games took place from the 18th to 27th of October 2019 in Wuhan, China."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7813667/
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"Our results provide preliminary evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was already circulating in Northern Italy by late 2019, with the first molecular evidence of infection dating to September 12th, 2019"
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What a strange web has been woven, Senor Mowrey. Three years on...
A lot of strange stuff going on in 2019.
Vaping Crisis in the US.
Trump signs EO 13887.
Sherpa working on a supercomputer database for treatments for novel viruses with DTRA.
Rick Bright saying that we need something "sexy" at a Milken Institute to wake people up.
And Crawford's anonymous industry acquaintance reporting an order to establish GMP for the Moderna LNP in October 2019 (19:30 of https://rumble.com/v20krs8-rte-discussions-16-examining-dod-involvement-in-the-pandemic-w-sasha-latypo.html). And Gates investing in Moderna exactly in whenever who cares. And the second of my links, a program launched by U of Oxford in October 2019 to take blood samples from kids for antibody tracking.
All systems go, as they say.
All the reports are bio-mechanistically well-described and plausible. A good bio-weapon (or the deployment of "effective" toxic drugs to fight the bio-weapon) that can increase symptom burden and reduce immune system function. AIDS is an example of how you can turn (or sell) a relatively harmless virus into a simmering endemic, international stew of diseases. The virus and the jabs are there to perpetuate a "state-of-emergency", to provide continued cover to perpetuated the bio-security state.
Fortunately, for Long-COVID, there are many immune system boosters that can alleviate symptoms and help repair neurological function. N-Acetyl cysteine and low-pressure hyperbaric oxygen have shown an ability to allow the immune system to do some serious clean up, without the high cytotoxic side effects and with the side benefit of reversing neurological disturbances.
"boosters _out_ to be far more destructive" you probably mean "ought" here.
" ... antibodies elicited _in_ by the first injection appear to ..."
Are you moving in the direction of "if they only reduced the number of mRNAs they are transfecting things might be OK?
"... the Covid-vaccinated do not experience the normal bouts of acute post-infection hypoxia and embolism associated with “Covid-19.”"
I have not been vaccinated nor have I been boosted, but I have not experienced any of those symptoms despite being out and about (sans mask) every day for the last three years. I got a virus in January of 2022 that sounds like SARS-CoV-2. I suppressed it within 24 hours but had a persistent dry cough for two weeks after that, sometimes bringing up some clear phlegm. Maybe I am just lucky and managed to avoid Covid-19 despite living in NorCal where we seemingly have high positive test rates. Maybe those symptoms only occur if you cannot fight off the initial infection. I take 6,000 IUs of D3 most days and 2,000 mg of Ascorbic Acid most days along with some Zinc but the CDC tells us there is no evidence that those help.
I guess we cannot be certain at this stage because much of the basic science seems to remain to be done and I am sure big-Pharma will fight to muddy the waters as long as they can.
"Are you moving in the direction of "if they only reduced the number of mRNAs they are transfecting things might be OK?"
No, just trying to describe the immunology accurately. But I don't port in the assumption that "vaccines always good," ie that anything immunogenic is a net positive even if severe efficacy is real (which it is), since obviously "net" positive can never just be assumed for anything. Besides, the article was already long and full of self-links to prior comment so I just wanted to keep that one simple.
I had a couple days of brain fog after my Omicron but really the sore throat was a bigger hassle. I HATE SORE THROATS MORE THAN DYING. So anyway, came out of Omi a lot better than Randy did despite similar age. Looks a lot like negative Long Covid efficacy to me.
How did you treat your Omicron generally, and in particular your sore throat ?
Nothing for the infection in general except time lounging outdoors, happily it was sunny though cold. I had ivermectin on hand but this was already after FLCCC revised the guidance back to HCQ. And then a pack of cough drops.
I guess this makes the case to use ivermectin/HCQ on those vaxxed souls right from the batch to limit the possibility of the virus killing enough heart cells -- in case the above theory/article comes out true.
Personally if I were vaxxed my priority would be getting sudden death autopsies going to look for virus. But yeah after that probably would want to pop ivm like vitamins.
I was trying to recall the GC study since someone else brought it up and from my memory I believed it indicated the presence of mRNA and not necessarily the spike, and it was another study that suggested a longer existence of the spike so I was trying to remember the studies.
I'm personally hesitant to look at case studies that haven't been examined because it's always so hard to tell what other variables need to be looked at, but it's also a shame that this tends to be the only way to assess some of this information.
What's frustrating is that several of these cases may be used as indications that COVID is super deadly without looking at it from the context of the vaccines.
I personally would like some more information, but it'd be interesting to see studies that have looked closer into some of these cases.
That's in fig 7 E. Both RNA and spike. https://unglossed.substack.com/i/49877612/the-set-up
The intrinsic problem with case studies is no denominator. If post-"breakthrough" infection death is rare enough in real life then essentially the case studies are false positives, ie coincidences. To use Beadman's example, it could be that the asymptomatic positive for SARS-CoV-2 had nothing to do with her cardiac crisis; just random timing. But that still leaves the problem of why the "dying suddenly" anecdotes accelerated after this summer. So you either have to take the infections as coincidental to that change in sudden-deaths or related.
Yeah I looked back at that post and saw the D60 detection, which I assumed came from the same lymph node from the D60 mRNA person, and so it was a positive for the one case examined at D60?
I wouldn't consider just coincidental, but in looking at a lot of this information I think we're overly conflated what it means to be healthy, so any comment that immediately suggests someone was "otherwise healthy" I've made a comment to someone once that several case studies (from things outside of COVID I believe) that will make comments such as "aside from the obesity the person was healthy".
Yeah, it doesn't work like that! But even to that, it's not as if some of these cases are inherently sudden deaths. If her heart began to fail that wouldn't consider that to be a sudden death, nor would many cases of cancer that are being pushed under the umbrella phrase of "died suddenly".
It would be interesting to see if more evidence comes in, but I suppose on a more humanity-based level I like to lean towards the idea that millions of people are not going to suddenly drop dead, but with everything we'll unfortunately have to see what happens, even as morbid of a situation this all is.
Squatchin Randy didn't get "long covid" after he got covid. He got it after getting vaccinated and boosted and THEN getting Omicron. Which is exactly what those studies show - that getting vaccinated, boosted, and then a breakthrough infection converts everything to IgG4. And he's so brainwashed he won't even connect it to the vaccines - and neither will his doctors, the so-called "experts" on Long Covid...so much so that he won't try ivermectin, an incredibly safe drug! Sooo infuriating to read! I feel bad for the guy but damn...brainwashed!
The PR Team is doing an excellent job of attributing vax injuries to Covid infections ... seems even an asymptomatic person can experience a severe vax injury .. ah I mean Covid injury .. ah... I have no idea what I mean.
Anyhow - expect more of this in 2023 which in the Chinese Calendar is referred to as The Year of the Grim Reaper
The media does seem to blend covid cases and long-covid cases regardless of vaccination status. Muddying the waters. Clearly, there are distinct, mechanistic differences.
The ivermectin "burn" was a sad touch. If Randy had been an early patient he might have been given some ivm; but Patterson says it didn't show much impact as time went on.
The colitis is the cholinergic blocking effect of the S1 subunit. I figured it out at one month of symptoms and 30 pounds sudden weight loss.
It looks like support for the "nicotinic hypothesis" never ended up being that strong? https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2204242119
Certainly GI issues can be expected/driven by the general impact on autonomic / vagus nerve-related systems.
That is interesting but they tested the original SARS-CoV-2 spike and S1, not the jab version. It was the jab version that made me so sick, and nicotine helped within a day or two.
I will believe a test of the jab version only. It is worse than the infection. I had bowel symptoms with that in 2020 but my normal strategies worked within a couple weeks, no significant weight loss. We didn't see all the excess menstrual bleeding symptoms until jab season started.