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jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

A young man I know got HPV of the throat 6-8 months after HPV vaccination. This has had a debilitating effect on his life, to be sure.* His mother kept him from vaccinations until he was 18. They effing jabbed him with the disease itself. My anger remains. Jabs = disease. Remember back in the 1980's, the commercials against the drug war? Hey kids, drugs are bad. Injected drugs especially are really bad. Well, they are. A healthy body needs no injections.

*When I discussed this with a doctor, off the record, they suggested he had been sexually abused and that is why he had HPV in the throat. This is how a typical MD's mind works...they simply cannot see themselves or their INDUSTRY as causal in sickness. Well, that is the real problem, now, isn't it? Medical industry doctors need to become extinct, they have decimated their oath.

Power to the professional Doctors who are willing to see the damage the medical industry does.

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It really is a magic trick that fools the masses into believing that any of this medical “science” has an empirical backing. Few think about the practical ways to validate a premise, thinking that “safe and effective” is determined through some nebulous procedure by people smarter than themselves (“I don’t know how they know it, but they figured it out somehow!”) Like you outline in this essay, there’s only one way to find out if a vaccine like this is effective: you need to wait a super long time (and then be bothered to do a follow-up study.) This is obviously antithetical to most career goals from even a purely personal motivation standpoint… when you start factoring in the economic pressure, it’s basically a miracle if any additional research is done at all.

Like you also say, almost everything in medicine has to be studied through correlation alone, for practical and ethical reasons. You can’t go around infecting people with a pathogen to assess direct cause and effect relationships, nor can you account for every factor of an individual’s unique biological makeup. But in order for a correlation to have any causative value, one needs to be stringent in their methodology. It’s why once upon a time, the first postulate of viral theory was that the “microorganism must be found in abundance in all organisms suffering from the disease, but should not be found in healthy organisms.” Fortunately for the perception of progress, Typhoid Mary came along and the asymptomatic carrier, which likely sounded like foolish doublespeak to many at the time, was established, throwing a wrench in what little actual value these mass population studies had. So we now know that viruses cause disease, except when they don’t, akin to how sometimes the heat from my stove doesn’t boil my water. It’s a crapshoot!

Science, by it’s very philosophical nature, is ill-equipped to deal with multi-causal effects and to try and solve this riddle, the discipline has been stripped of all the elements that made it an empirical method in the first place. In the case of cancer, Hippocrates himself allegedly said something to the effect of “the more you do, the worse it gets, so leave it alone, ya wanker!” But ancient wisdom based on common sense seems foolish to us evolved, intelligent monkeys and more importantly, you can’t charge someone for doing nothing (eh, unless you’re the government I suppose…)

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