Good morning Brian, There's a great article over at American Thinker that dovetails with you earlier assessment of the CDC's Kentucky study on Natural Immunity vs vaxed. It's titled "The CDC's Bogus Kentucky COVID Research" by Ron Pillman. (Pillman - pseudonym?).
Hi Mike - it took me all day to get around to reading it. I'm behind on my Covid vaccine reading thanks to working on today's post. But... he actually doesn't seem to read the paper correctly, haha. He describes the "sample size" as being small via selection, rather than because total reinfections (i.e. the sample size) were low! I wonder if reading comprehension skills of those working in the pharmaceutical industry, as Pillman describes himself, deteriorate by the decade, heh.
Also, look at figure S7 patient R9 - All spike/no nucleocapsoid after 47 days (54 less 7 initial). My theory is this patient is at risk for reinfection from a variant???
c. Recovered donor (R9), that have timepoint 1 sampled 7 days after the second dose of the vaccine
735 and timepoint 2 sampled 54 days after second dose of the vaccine
"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because, as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don't know."
So goes the quote for which Rumsfeld was lambasted.
It's a fascinating study. But ADE is already in the "known unknown" category. We know previous coronavirus vaccines caused ADE. We know natural infection normally does not introduce spike protein into the blood, whereas the vaccines do - most viruses only get into the blood after viral shedding, whereas parasites (which prompt IgE antibody response) do not. We know that antigen presenting cells have DAMP receptor pathways for cellular destruction, and the vaccines do not co-associate the spike-protein with cellular destruction. We know that we don't really understand anything about any of this.
So, the study is trying to read a language that humans do not understand, to detect whether we have accidentally destroyed ourselves. It's kind of quaint. In the end the unknown will only become known when we on the other side of the next six months (at which point the study will be more intelligible, because the observations can be tied to real-world results). Covid vaccine ADE may be widespread but if I had to put money on it I'd go with something like 5-20% of vaccine recipients, and not many of them previously infected.
Yes, it just seems like Thelma and Louise stepping on the gas by tptb forcing the natural immunes to add this vax on top of their resilient immunity such that this is just one more red flag in addition to those with the spike and it's potential for harm in ovaries, placenta, arteries, etc. I'm guessing that you read Dr. Bhakdi's paper on the vaccine pharmacokinetics? I saw Fauxi today is blasting all the bikers in SD this weekend. He seems to relish being a little Napoleon.
Hello again. I saw the post from Alex just a little while ago and read both you and publius' post regarding that study on vaxing the folks with previous natural immunity. The particular chart he highlighted looks like it shows that with NI you have both Nucleocapsid and Spike antibodies and after inoculation, you have trended to a mostly spike based capability. What I wanted to see if you could shed some light on what this means and if you've been jabbed are you more at risk to being in the camp with all the vax only folks with just spike antibodies and no or reduced sterilizing N antibodies? The chart shows a downward trend of N and upward of S assuming if we went out farther in time, it might continue to change? I'm sure the answer is we don't know yet. What's disturbing is if it turns out that we are trending to spike only antibodies, it looks like the NI folks are going to be in the same boat as the only vaxed group? Meaning we now have a bigger problem with this group now suceptible to mutated variants as well as potentially being factories creating more variants? I hope I'm wrong???
Good morning Brian, There's a great article over at American Thinker that dovetails with you earlier assessment of the CDC's Kentucky study on Natural Immunity vs vaxed. It's titled "The CDC's Bogus Kentucky COVID Research" by Ron Pillman. (Pillman - pseudonym?).
Hi Mike - it took me all day to get around to reading it. I'm behind on my Covid vaccine reading thanks to working on today's post. But... he actually doesn't seem to read the paper correctly, haha. He describes the "sample size" as being small via selection, rather than because total reinfections (i.e. the sample size) were low! I wonder if reading comprehension skills of those working in the pharmaceutical industry, as Pillman describes himself, deteriorate by the decade, heh.
Also, look at figure S7 patient R9 - All spike/no nucleocapsoid after 47 days (54 less 7 initial). My theory is this patient is at risk for reinfection from a variant???
c. Recovered donor (R9), that have timepoint 1 sampled 7 days after the second dose of the vaccine
735 and timepoint 2 sampled 54 days after second dose of the vaccine
"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because, as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don't know."
So goes the quote for which Rumsfeld was lambasted.
It's a fascinating study. But ADE is already in the "known unknown" category. We know previous coronavirus vaccines caused ADE. We know natural infection normally does not introduce spike protein into the blood, whereas the vaccines do - most viruses only get into the blood after viral shedding, whereas parasites (which prompt IgE antibody response) do not. We know that antigen presenting cells have DAMP receptor pathways for cellular destruction, and the vaccines do not co-associate the spike-protein with cellular destruction. We know that we don't really understand anything about any of this.
So, the study is trying to read a language that humans do not understand, to detect whether we have accidentally destroyed ourselves. It's kind of quaint. In the end the unknown will only become known when we on the other side of the next six months (at which point the study will be more intelligible, because the observations can be tied to real-world results). Covid vaccine ADE may be widespread but if I had to put money on it I'd go with something like 5-20% of vaccine recipients, and not many of them previously infected.
Yes, it just seems like Thelma and Louise stepping on the gas by tptb forcing the natural immunes to add this vax on top of their resilient immunity such that this is just one more red flag in addition to those with the spike and it's potential for harm in ovaries, placenta, arteries, etc. I'm guessing that you read Dr. Bhakdi's paper on the vaccine pharmacokinetics? I saw Fauxi today is blasting all the bikers in SD this weekend. He seems to relish being a little Napoleon.
Hello again. I saw the post from Alex just a little while ago and read both you and publius' post regarding that study on vaxing the folks with previous natural immunity. The particular chart he highlighted looks like it shows that with NI you have both Nucleocapsid and Spike antibodies and after inoculation, you have trended to a mostly spike based capability. What I wanted to see if you could shed some light on what this means and if you've been jabbed are you more at risk to being in the camp with all the vax only folks with just spike antibodies and no or reduced sterilizing N antibodies? The chart shows a downward trend of N and upward of S assuming if we went out farther in time, it might continue to change? I'm sure the answer is we don't know yet. What's disturbing is if it turns out that we are trending to spike only antibodies, it looks like the NI folks are going to be in the same boat as the only vaxed group? Meaning we now have a bigger problem with this group now suceptible to mutated variants as well as potentially being factories creating more variants? I hope I'm wrong???
I don't know how you find the time, but the depth and length of this post is impressive. Cheers