The OPV trial in the Belgian Congo is the most likely source of HIV. They used chimpanzee sera to amplify the vaccine, which was then given to over a million people. A few years later, the first case of AIDS emerged exactly at the epicenter of these trials.
Thank you for addressing this article. It was head bangingly frustrating, particularly the circular argument involving the assumed safety of old vaccines that have not undergone RCTs and then the quoting of RCTs as proof that the vaccines are safe. Also Incredibly frustrating in the comments (I can’t recall if this was also in the article ) was the premise that it is ‘unethical’ to use a placebo as you are withholding life saving vaccines from the control group. This is the same nonsense that was used as justification for the vaccination of the covid vax control group. They make out that a vaccine control group is at the same risk as someone in, say for example, a diabetes drug trial. This is patent nonsense; there is a valid argument for giving someone with diabetes a potentially life saving drug, but for vaccines you are dealing with otherwise healthy individuals in a trial whose risk of adverse effects from catching the disease they are maybe being vaccinated against is vanishingly small. There should be totally different standards for drug vs vaccine trials - it’s a nonsensical comparison. It was hard not to comment on the rubbish in the article but the comments section was brutal and I just don’t have time for stupid people.
I know this is tangential to your post. I was born in 1954 when, presumably, the polio freakout was in full swing. I did have an uncle who had to wear leg braces so we were definitely aware of it.
My parents are gone and there's no one else I can ask who might remember. I wonder if I got the Salk vaccination (as you say, released in 1954) and then later on the Sabin OPV. Even at the tender age of six or seven, I remember much talk about Salk versus Sabin. I do distinctly remember them lining up every kid in my school, to get the sugar cube with the pink stain on it. It was memorable because sweets were not as pervasive then (excitement!) and sugar cubes were a novelty.
We all got measles and chickenpox as a matter of course. I never heard of anybody who died. Somehow everyone in my family escaped the mumps.
I can't help wondering if the increase in SIDS and ADHD has been at least partly a result of the increase in infant vaccinations. Seems reasonable.
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"even if given true placebos in the trial context, are still likely to receive other, previously-authorized vaccines, and this will confound any attempt to measure harms from any individual vaccine."
I have wondered about that before. What I have not wondered about is, whether manufacturers are happy about that or not. As the number of injections grows, so does, parallel to $$$$$, plausibility of deniability, as the fog gets denser.
She focused on Placebo as its the weakest argument, although a valid one , among all those presented in the Turtle Book regarding safety.
As we saw with the COVID VACCINES using a true placebo does not guarantee detection of an unsafe vaccine since those running the trial have perfected not finding problem
And even if a particular vaccine were found to be safe on its own, it could still contribute to a cumulative adverse effect on children who receive all the recommended vaccines.
A clinical trial of a new aluminum-containing vaccine cannot identify long-term health effects caused by the gradual accumulation of aluminum in an infant’s body.
Clinical trials of vaccines typically do not report chronic syndromes and diseases, such as autism, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), diabetes, or cancer. These conditions develop over a period of months or years, and consequently researchers tend not to associate them with the tested vaccine even if they are diagnosed during the time frame of the clinical trial.
The lack of safety testing of the cumulative effect of vaccines during their approval process, as well as the inherent limitations of adverse event reporting systems, has not attracted the attention of the FDA or CDC.
In order to evaluate the safety of the entire vaccination program, as well as the impact of vaccines on adverse health conditions that develop in the medium and long terms, one must conduct studies comparing the health of subjects who were fully vaccinated with the health of those who were not.
It was my understanding that the covid vax trials did NOT use a true placebo but used the lnp vehicle sans mRNA. I could be wrong but I don’t think so. As described by Dr Rose et al these lnp’s are NOT , in fact, inert or harmless as a true placebo SHOULD be.
Yes, you did touch on it but after rereading it I have a couple of comments
“
…the “placebo” critique offered by Turtles may not in fact be the most important problem with vaccine safety. “
We agree but that was not their only or most important critique. These were all discussed in the later chapters.
Also, even with all the other problems, i believe using a saline Placebo could probably have detected safety signals, especially with HPV . The Turtles author cover this in her HPV chapter and her book on HPV
“Science,” in the form of studies and trials, does not have the power to detect whether vaccines are harming us.”
I disagree with this. Of course, it depends on what Science we are referring too. Fake Science done by the manufacturers and those captured agencies certainly will not detect any signals. Proper Science seeking to compare unvaxxed with vaxxed, and those who vax , but follow a more leisurely schedule vs those following the CDC schedule have both been done by independent researchers and found harm.
Alternatively, an animal model following an equivalent schedule to the CDC schedule vs unvaccinated models could be done, although it would not be conclusive.
Furthermore, assuming the effects of prior vaccines are cumulative, it seems one could still detect a safety signal with new vaccines if a saline placebo is used. Unfortunately, having the trials in the hand of those with a vested interest in approval means even a saline placebo wont be enough, and we saw that with COVID Vaccines. Utter corruption finds a way to get the desired results helped by captured regulators who ask no questions.
There needs to be a firewall between those who conduct trials and approve vaccines and those make and have a financial interest in the approval. The former must have no past ties with Pharma and agree never to have any ties in future. Obviously, this will come at a cost.
Now for Note 1 which I have read for the first time.
“It is further the case that reduced and induced harms are unlikely to be measurable absent long-term trials with true placebos in most cases. “
You have made the case for long term trials and true placebos. I agree totally.
“An exception that demonstrates the problem is Measles, for which the attenuated vaccine could authentically replicate natural infection (which involves viral spread in the bloodstream); this made it easy to compare certain adverse events side-by-side, particularly encephalitis, with little question as to whether the vaccine was plausibly associated, but strong evidence that infection was associated with an even higher rate. “
Assuming the estimates of encephalitis due to measles infection (1/1000 with 15-20% mortality) is accurate (doubtful) this is among the general population which include the sick and healthy. However, if you look at the exclusions of an ongoing MMR trial for 6 mos infants, you can see only the healthiest are included
Encephalitis has a mortality rate of 15-20%. In the early 60’s before vaccination there were an estimated 4 million measles infections each year (most of which were unconfirmed mild cases) with 400 deaths. If those numbers are correct there should have been 4000 measles induced encephalitis and 600-800 deaths each year. I suspect their data today is taken from 3rd world countries where vitamin A deficiency is present or in the tiny unvaxxed populations of the West where I suspect most unvaxxed (~5%) are unvaxxed due to other health reasons
“Further, if attenuated Measles vaccination (like natural infection) prevents later instance of Measles infection of the bloodstream, it plausibly prevents all infection-associated encephalitis (and etc.); though proof of such true immunity is weak.”
Given immunity wanes requiring frequent boosters, the proof is indeed weak. We truly have no idea if they prevent subsequent infections. Many of those infected in recent measles outbreaks were vaxxed. Its also true that after vaccinations became available they changed to criteria for confirmed measles, much like they did with Polio. So kids might get infected but if its mild and the kid is vaccinated the Doctor diagnoses some other condition
The danger is that as those with vaccine induced immunity age their immunity wanes, and given the lack of measles virus in environment they are unlikely to be naturally boosted as we were when measles was prevalent among the kids. An entire generation of elderly will be coming online with little immunity to these childhood diseases which tend to be more severe in Adults. No doubt the solution will be boosters for Seniors
The commonest causes of acute encephalitis are infections and autoimmune disorders in children, with viruses being the most commonly identified pathogens . The diagnosis of encephalitis is complex because it is now recognised that some infectious agents (e.g. influenza virus) can cause encephalopathic syndromes without directly infecting the brain and that infection or immunisation can trigger autoimmune encephalopathies
Autoimmunity in children has skyrocketed with the increasing vaccination load in the schedule . No surprise that Encephalitis incidence in kids has been increasing over the last 10 years at least
On a personal note I had one of the early MMR vaccines while in high school after somehow avoiding Measles or Mumps despite having 6 siblings and only 1 bathroom. Although I did not connect it with the jab sometime after I developed ITP with plunging platelets. When after 6 months of steroids it did not resolve I had my spleen removed (source of auto-antibodies that were attacking my platelets), and am now immunodeficient as a result with sepsis in my future. Curiously, in 2017 I had to get MMR Vaccine again because a health exam for a visa should low antibodies to measles. A year later I was dx with an aggressive Kidney cancer and lost 1 kidney. I can not prove causation with the cancer although MMR has been linked with ITP.
For those that don’t know how lightly people treated childhood diseases like measles and chicken pox the Brady Bunch Measles episode is classic. I have it on DVD. Recently Netflix or Amazon Prime had the entire series available for streaming but deleted that 1 episode.
Thanks for the great article. It seems we could do actual science on vaccines and follow babies & children who have not received vaccines as the control group, versus those who have. That should be done in real time. Until then, I hope more and more parents do not inject their babies and children with pharmaceutical products. It's so unnatural to inject a newborn baby with the ingredients in those products.
My son is 25, so I blindly followed the prevailing wisdom and got him all his vaccinations, which were required for school. Had I to do it over again, I would definitely be an anti-VAX parent.
Yeah, we have to have a lot of compassion for ourselves for not being awake sooner. We wake up when we wake up. Did your kids did okay with the vaccines they took?
The threat of the WHO sovereignty-grab by the 2023 IHR and 2024 International PLANdemc Treaty: we’ve got until November 2023 for Congress to repeal IHR modifications!
I was reading something the other day that the the lockdowns cost the global travel industry over 1 trillion dollars.
If you were to add up all the money lost across all countries the number would be many trillions.
Have you seen any push back from any industry that has lost amounts of money that would dwarf what pharma made off this?
I have not.
If pharma has the kind of power required to subvert every government, every military, every industry, the MSM etc... then essentially they run the world. And they'd just put a call into the Fed if they needed more money.
If this was a money-making exercise why go through all these hoops to create this monster 'vaccine' complete with lipid nanoparticles to deliver a dodgy payload... why not just inject a benign substance?
This is not about money. Or Great Resets. Or more control. Or whatever...
But the folks who are perpetrating this would like you to believe it's about money -- to keep you off the scent of what they are really up to - as detailed here https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=220
The OPV trial in the Belgian Congo is the most likely source of HIV. They used chimpanzee sera to amplify the vaccine, which was then given to over a million people. A few years later, the first case of AIDS emerged exactly at the epicenter of these trials.
Isn't this the story of this book https://www.amazon.com/River-Journey-Source-HIV-AIDS/dp/0316372617/ ??
Yes, that is the book that documents evidence for the theory.
Thank you for addressing this article. It was head bangingly frustrating, particularly the circular argument involving the assumed safety of old vaccines that have not undergone RCTs and then the quoting of RCTs as proof that the vaccines are safe. Also Incredibly frustrating in the comments (I can’t recall if this was also in the article ) was the premise that it is ‘unethical’ to use a placebo as you are withholding life saving vaccines from the control group. This is the same nonsense that was used as justification for the vaccination of the covid vax control group. They make out that a vaccine control group is at the same risk as someone in, say for example, a diabetes drug trial. This is patent nonsense; there is a valid argument for giving someone with diabetes a potentially life saving drug, but for vaccines you are dealing with otherwise healthy individuals in a trial whose risk of adverse effects from catching the disease they are maybe being vaccinated against is vanishingly small. There should be totally different standards for drug vs vaccine trials - it’s a nonsensical comparison. It was hard not to comment on the rubbish in the article but the comments section was brutal and I just don’t have time for stupid people.
I know this is tangential to your post. I was born in 1954 when, presumably, the polio freakout was in full swing. I did have an uncle who had to wear leg braces so we were definitely aware of it.
My parents are gone and there's no one else I can ask who might remember. I wonder if I got the Salk vaccination (as you say, released in 1954) and then later on the Sabin OPV. Even at the tender age of six or seven, I remember much talk about Salk versus Sabin. I do distinctly remember them lining up every kid in my school, to get the sugar cube with the pink stain on it. It was memorable because sweets were not as pervasive then (excitement!) and sugar cubes were a novelty.
We all got measles and chickenpox as a matter of course. I never heard of anybody who died. Somehow everyone in my family escaped the mumps.
I can't help wondering if the increase in SIDS and ADHD has been at least partly a result of the increase in infant vaccinations. Seems reasonable.
Excellent work.
The Skeptic(TM)s at work. They got so Skeptic(TM) that a Raptor grabbed the comments.
Order your "Got Polio?" shirt now, so you, too, can belong to the club of Rational(TM) people. (optional: back side features image of Bill Nye, or Neil ofFat Tyson)
"even if given true placebos in the trial context, are still likely to receive other, previously-authorized vaccines, and this will confound any attempt to measure harms from any individual vaccine."
I have wondered about that before. What I have not wondered about is, whether manufacturers are happy about that or not. As the number of injections grows, so does, parallel to $$$$$, plausibility of deniability, as the fog gets denser.
She focused on Placebo as its the weakest argument, although a valid one , among all those presented in the Turtle Book regarding safety.
As we saw with the COVID VACCINES using a true placebo does not guarantee detection of an unsafe vaccine since those running the trial have perfected not finding problem
And even if a particular vaccine were found to be safe on its own, it could still contribute to a cumulative adverse effect on children who receive all the recommended vaccines.
A clinical trial of a new aluminum-containing vaccine cannot identify long-term health effects caused by the gradual accumulation of aluminum in an infant’s body.
Clinical trials of vaccines typically do not report chronic syndromes and diseases, such as autism, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), diabetes, or cancer. These conditions develop over a period of months or years, and consequently researchers tend not to associate them with the tested vaccine even if they are diagnosed during the time frame of the clinical trial.
The lack of safety testing of the cumulative effect of vaccines during their approval process, as well as the inherent limitations of adverse event reporting systems, has not attracted the attention of the FDA or CDC.
In order to evaluate the safety of the entire vaccination program, as well as the impact of vaccines on adverse health conditions that develop in the medium and long terms, one must conduct studies comparing the health of subjects who were fully vaccinated with the health of those who were not.
'using a true placebo does not guarantee detection of an unsafe vaccine since those running the trial have perfected not finding problem'
Running a clinical trial to get desired results has been perfected to a fine art. Just read someone like Malcolm Kendrick for details.
It was my understanding that the covid vax trials did NOT use a true placebo but used the lnp vehicle sans mRNA. I could be wrong but I don’t think so. As described by Dr Rose et al these lnp’s are NOT , in fact, inert or harmless as a true placebo SHOULD be.
Your understanding is not correct . Saline placebo was used by Pfizer and Moderna as specified in their trial protocols.
LNP is not inert but was not used as placebo. It serves as both a carrier for the mRNA and an adjuvant
Astra Zeneca did not use Saline as placebo, but it also does not use LNP
Right, that's addressed in my conclusion / post-script comments
Yes, you did touch on it but after rereading it I have a couple of comments
“
…the “placebo” critique offered by Turtles may not in fact be the most important problem with vaccine safety. “
We agree but that was not their only or most important critique. These were all discussed in the later chapters.
Also, even with all the other problems, i believe using a saline Placebo could probably have detected safety signals, especially with HPV . The Turtles author cover this in her HPV chapter and her book on HPV
“Science,” in the form of studies and trials, does not have the power to detect whether vaccines are harming us.”
I disagree with this. Of course, it depends on what Science we are referring too. Fake Science done by the manufacturers and those captured agencies certainly will not detect any signals. Proper Science seeking to compare unvaxxed with vaxxed, and those who vax , but follow a more leisurely schedule vs those following the CDC schedule have both been done by independent researchers and found harm.
Alternatively, an animal model following an equivalent schedule to the CDC schedule vs unvaccinated models could be done, although it would not be conclusive.
Furthermore, assuming the effects of prior vaccines are cumulative, it seems one could still detect a safety signal with new vaccines if a saline placebo is used. Unfortunately, having the trials in the hand of those with a vested interest in approval means even a saline placebo wont be enough, and we saw that with COVID Vaccines. Utter corruption finds a way to get the desired results helped by captured regulators who ask no questions.
There needs to be a firewall between those who conduct trials and approve vaccines and those make and have a financial interest in the approval. The former must have no past ties with Pharma and agree never to have any ties in future. Obviously, this will come at a cost.
Now for Note 1 which I have read for the first time.
“It is further the case that reduced and induced harms are unlikely to be measurable absent long-term trials with true placebos in most cases. “
You have made the case for long term trials and true placebos. I agree totally.
“An exception that demonstrates the problem is Measles, for which the attenuated vaccine could authentically replicate natural infection (which involves viral spread in the bloodstream); this made it easy to compare certain adverse events side-by-side, particularly encephalitis, with little question as to whether the vaccine was plausibly associated, but strong evidence that infection was associated with an even higher rate. “
Assuming the estimates of encephalitis due to measles infection (1/1000 with 15-20% mortality) is accurate (doubtful) this is among the general population which include the sick and healthy. However, if you look at the exclusions of an ongoing MMR trial for 6 mos infants, you can see only the healthiest are included
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03780179
Encephalitis has a mortality rate of 15-20%. In the early 60’s before vaccination there were an estimated 4 million measles infections each year (most of which were unconfirmed mild cases) with 400 deaths. If those numbers are correct there should have been 4000 measles induced encephalitis and 600-800 deaths each year. I suspect their data today is taken from 3rd world countries where vitamin A deficiency is present or in the tiny unvaxxed populations of the West where I suspect most unvaxxed (~5%) are unvaxxed due to other health reasons
“Further, if attenuated Measles vaccination (like natural infection) prevents later instance of Measles infection of the bloodstream, it plausibly prevents all infection-associated encephalitis (and etc.); though proof of such true immunity is weak.”
Given immunity wanes requiring frequent boosters, the proof is indeed weak. We truly have no idea if they prevent subsequent infections. Many of those infected in recent measles outbreaks were vaxxed. Its also true that after vaccinations became available they changed to criteria for confirmed measles, much like they did with Polio. So kids might get infected but if its mild and the kid is vaccinated the Doctor diagnoses some other condition
The danger is that as those with vaccine induced immunity age their immunity wanes, and given the lack of measles virus in environment they are unlikely to be naturally boosted as we were when measles was prevalent among the kids. An entire generation of elderly will be coming online with little immunity to these childhood diseases which tend to be more severe in Adults. No doubt the solution will be boosters for Seniors
The commonest causes of acute encephalitis are infections and autoimmune disorders in children, with viruses being the most commonly identified pathogens . The diagnosis of encephalitis is complex because it is now recognised that some infectious agents (e.g. influenza virus) can cause encephalopathic syndromes without directly infecting the brain and that infection or immunisation can trigger autoimmune encephalopathies
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40124-015-0089-5
Autoimmunity in children has skyrocketed with the increasing vaccination load in the schedule . No surprise that Encephalitis incidence in kids has been increasing over the last 10 years at least
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5801071/
On a personal note I had one of the early MMR vaccines while in high school after somehow avoiding Measles or Mumps despite having 6 siblings and only 1 bathroom. Although I did not connect it with the jab sometime after I developed ITP with plunging platelets. When after 6 months of steroids it did not resolve I had my spleen removed (source of auto-antibodies that were attacking my platelets), and am now immunodeficient as a result with sepsis in my future. Curiously, in 2017 I had to get MMR Vaccine again because a health exam for a visa should low antibodies to measles. A year later I was dx with an aggressive Kidney cancer and lost 1 kidney. I can not prove causation with the cancer although MMR has been linked with ITP.
For those that don’t know how lightly people treated childhood diseases like measles and chicken pox the Brady Bunch Measles episode is classic. I have it on DVD. Recently Netflix or Amazon Prime had the entire series available for streaming but deleted that 1 episode.
Thanks for the great article. It seems we could do actual science on vaccines and follow babies & children who have not received vaccines as the control group, versus those who have. That should be done in real time. Until then, I hope more and more parents do not inject their babies and children with pharmaceutical products. It's so unnatural to inject a newborn baby with the ingredients in those products.
My son is 25, so I blindly followed the prevailing wisdom and got him all his vaccinations, which were required for school. Had I to do it over again, I would definitely be an anti-VAX parent.
Yeah, we have to have a lot of compassion for ourselves for not being awake sooner. We wake up when we wake up. Did your kids did okay with the vaccines they took?
Short term, sure. Long-term? Impossible to say, impossible to prove. We wrestled with ADHD and depression...
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You might be onto something ... THEY know that all this about vaccines - yet they force them on everyone.
I guarantee you the reason is not money.
Cuz the people who run the show and who could shut this down -- own the Fed.
To the contrary, I think the profit motive is a major motivator. There may be zealots in there also, but that's a little harder to swallow.
I was reading something the other day that the the lockdowns cost the global travel industry over 1 trillion dollars.
If you were to add up all the money lost across all countries the number would be many trillions.
Have you seen any push back from any industry that has lost amounts of money that would dwarf what pharma made off this?
I have not.
If pharma has the kind of power required to subvert every government, every military, every industry, the MSM etc... then essentially they run the world. And they'd just put a call into the Fed if they needed more money.
If this was a money-making exercise why go through all these hoops to create this monster 'vaccine' complete with lipid nanoparticles to deliver a dodgy payload... why not just inject a benign substance?
This is not about money. Or Great Resets. Or more control. Or whatever...
But the folks who are perpetrating this would like you to believe it's about money -- to keep you off the scent of what they are really up to - as detailed here https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=220