But how would that stop crime
An amusing problem with the winning FdB decarceration thought experiment
Unfortunate introduction: I simply cannot take the idea that Derek Chauvin murdered anyone seriously
By which I mean to say, it is not a serious idea. It is like believing in Santa Claus on the basis of seeing a video of a man in a Santa Claus outfit. The fact that in this case so many adults do profess to believe this particular fantasy, just as would be true if similar numbers professed belief in Santa, sometimes can fit within my mental budget for human stupidity, but at other times I wonder whether this interpretation, this narrative about the death of George Floyd, is deliberate mendacity in which the truth does not matter. It only matters that it is a statement that cannot be debated in the press.
The truth, which stems from obvious biological and medical (im)possibility, I will not litigate here; I still intend it as material for a future post.1
Defund the Police vs. Imprison the Police
I will note however that it is ironic that (perennially un-self-aware) progressive/socialist writer Freddie Deboer chose Chauvin, of all purported murderers, as a foil for his imagined opponents on the left, the defund / decarcerate movement.
To be more explicit, what happened was that in May, Deboer protested that “defund the police” types never provide answers to basic questions about the consequences of their program, and so as a stunt, he asked his readers to explain what they envision a police-less, prison-less society should do with (purported Floyd-murderer) Derek Chauvin in light of what he (purportedly) did before the advent of their new order. Months went by, and now he has published the winning response.
But what is the point of debating the merits of defunding the police if a society criminalizes the act of policing itself?
And criminalization of police-work — in which, select citizens are asked by society to apply force to other citizens according to rules and to their own necessarily imperfect judgement, and often incomplete perception of their own circumstances, day after day — is the only explanation for why Chauvin (who, again, did not murder Floyd, but even if he did, this would still be an important point) is in jail.
Yet DeBoer wonders, in the comments to his recent post, why he is confused for a de-carcerationist himself. “Tell me what we should do without police — who would put all the murdering police in jail without them?” Idiotic. By asking police to put police in jail for policing, America is already inviting a society without police, regardless of whether one supports or laments such an end-result.
The amusing problem with the winning answer (as always, it comes back to Hobbes)
So anyway, it is an amusing accident that the winning response (selected by DeBoer on the grounds of being “straightforward and uncomplicated”) is politically astute2 and yet obviously flawed. Here it is, in entirety:
Once Derek Chauvin has been found guilty in a court of law, he is sentenced to a term of community service of a length and type appropriate to the severity of his crime. (So in this case, a lot. Life?) That community service is overseen by agents of the court; I’m thinking more like lawyers or clerks, less like armed bailiffs. Those agents are not charged with forcing him to stick to the community service, but rather just observing whether he does so.
If he forfeits on his community service, as determined by the courts, then he will be considered an “outlaw” - meaning, specifically, someone not protected by the law. Anything done to him that would ordinarily constitute a crime no longer does. No police are necessary; if he refuses to serve his time helping his fellow man, then anybody with a chip on their shoulder can punish him for it. As long as he sticks to his sentence, he’s safe, with his life dedicated to helping others. And if anyone were to commit a crime against him while he was in that situation they would face the same fate he currently faces—an appropriate community service sentence enforced by the threat of being put outside of the protection of the law should he violate that sentence.
Obviously, it’s crucial that the courts are seen as impartial and unimpeachable, since they don’t have a bunch of men with guns to enforce their will. But it’s the best I’ve got. Derek broke the social contract;3 either he makes amends or we’ll put him outside of the protection of that social contract. Simple as that.
Readers familiar with Giorgio Agamben will recognize that the answer is merely borrowing from the concept of homo sacer.
Agamben’s work and his notion of homo sacer were utilized by critics of the lockdowns and of vaccine mandates from a biopolitics perspective, including myself — typically in the formulations of “unpersoning” and the “unperson.” DeBoer does not indicate any prior familiarity. At all events, lack of originality is not the problem with the answer.
The problem with the answer, hilariously obvious really, is that so long as convicted citizens are performing their allotted community service for prior crimes, what is preventing them from committing any number of further crimes?
As long as he sticks to his sentence, he’s safe, with his life dedicated to helping others [but not by any of the above means prohibited from also harming different others at the same time]
Further, what is preventing an “outlaw” from simply protecting themselves from the violence of other citizens the same way outlaws do today — by armament and association? Nothing about potentially being killed by rivals appears to dissuade those who sentence themselves to gang life. The only difference between having random strangers with “chips on their shoulder” deputized to kill you in this imaginary world, and being considered a bounty by rival gangs at all moments as happens here in the real world, is — well, there isn’t one, actually. And so gangs will commit exactly the same crimes they always do, plus more for lack of consideration of police and jails.
And so in this imaginary world, it isn’t in fact even necessary to serve one’s sentence to evade (at least provisionally) punishment for violating the law. One simply has to take seriously the implication of a state that abdicates its monopoly on violence — war of all against all.
*edit:
Compounding of the basic Weberian-Hobbesian problem of making the state not do what defines a state (have a monopoly on violence), what prevents citizens from deciding that sentences are too lenient, murdering ostensibly lawful criminals, and trusting in the community’s agreement with this decision to obviate any need to pay attention to the court’s retributory sentences (here I have just described lynching with paperwork attached)? Even worse, what is to prevent wanton physical threatening and blackmail of court agents by those undergoing these toothless trials? It’s a bad enough question in mafia contexts in our present reality — imagine if any individual merely had to muster up the antisocial will to threaten a court administrator in order to get their service sentence reduced to a week.
Sheer anarchy, war of all against all.
Closing: But actually, let’s get rid of prisons
With all this said, I think prisons are a cancer on human life, worse perhaps than any other compromise human nature makes to society and effective safety. In providing my own solution to them, I also do not require originality — I endorse the return of pre-industrial legal remedies, namely humiliation via public displays, flogging, and when necessary, the death penalty. (These things are not “just” or “good,” but neither are societies to begin with. They are merely orders of life.) In regards to the first one, I haven’t read Moskos’s In Defense of Flogging (since I do not need any convincing), but he should get the credit for the idea, as far as I know.
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Pictured: Biologists and physicians believe this to be the location of the yet-mysterious human “breathing system.”
Which is just my way of saying “straightforward and uncomplicated.”
He literally didn’t, unless showing up for a job that society asks someone to do is “breaking the social contract.”
I’m sorry this isn’t quite what you wanted us to focus and comment upon, but I did want to express my appreciation for you bringing up the Chauvin/Floyd theater (whether it happened or not, it was theatrical).
I remember the first time I saw the video, I thought “I can’t see anything definitively” and withheld judgement, and looked around in wonder at how people who previously seemed so smart, or loving, were suddenly so...stupid, blind, or unfathomably hateful. The 20th time I was forced to watch it if I were online at all (I don’t own a TV), I remember wondering if there were ever a Chauvin family who’d had a son named Derek, who’d been a bar bouncer and then a cop...and if Floyd were even dead, or even had ever been real, or if they created his name and his character, complete with a violent rap-sheet, just to troll America as idiots who defended a man who destroyed more than he contributed--defended a destroyer with additional destruction.
Sometimes when I consider all the details and nuances of any given situation, especially headlines, which often include what feels like intentional allusions to red-pilled realities, I feel more trolled than anything else, by TPTB. They’re having fun at the expense of the blue-pilled more than the red-pilled. I wonder if they almost have some respect for red-pilled people, who work to defend what is good, pure, or at least truth (even as they seek to kill them), but consider the blue-pilled fair game for a different kind of sport--as a type of fodder.
The way to go is "home imprisonment", with a geofence: if broken, back to prison.
You might like:
A Republic or a Democracy? Are we crazy to accept demo-crazy?
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/democracy-democrazy
How about REAL democracy: townhall republican democracy?
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/reinventing-democracy
16 laws we need to exit Prison Planet
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/laws-to-exit-planet-prison
If we fail with that, then prep for this until 2040:
The full PLAN exposed:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-plan-revealed
What’s your best way to wake-up those who don’t want to open their eyes?
Please share your most effective wake-up strategies.
The more the awakened, the sooner this nightmare will be over!
For example, I start with this video (2 minutes):
https://odysee.com/@ImpossiblyWackedOutWorld:f/WTC-7-Free-Falling:8
(caveat: pot destroys your brain…)
9/11: two "planes", yet the third tower (WTC7) imploded like in a controlled demolition. It was out of reach and all 7 World Trade Center towers destroyed, not the closer towers not belonging to World Trade Center... and the owner, with his 2 grown up siblings, failed to show up for work (never skipped work before)… by the way, he first took an insurance policy for the WTC against terrorism, just months before, when no one was taking them. The inside information about the FUTURE 9/11 event helped masons make trillions by shorting the stock exchange: the records were deleted by the SEC so they wouldn't be prosecuted !!!:
4 min. (0.75 speed):
https://rumble.com/v1jpdwl-a-911-conspiracy-theory-explained-in-5-minutes-by-james-corbett-classic.html
Where’s the plane for the 2nd Tower (WTC1)?
https://odysee.com/@N%C3%A9mesis2030:8/11WTC:3
Controlled demolition?
https://odysee.com/@covid2020:d/9-11-World-Trade-Center-..-Demolition-Control%C3%A9e-1:2
Why is 9/11 called a Pearl Harbor event? Both Churchill and Roosevelt were masons and plotted to get the reluctant USA into the war by provoking the Japs and letting Pearl Harbor (left the whole fleet defenseless and concentrated there as an easy candy to be taken from a kid, no radar warning from outer islands, etc.) and MUCH MORE:
Please read and watch all of this! Your life depends on it, because there's a plan to murder 95% of the global population by 2050… written on the masonic Georgia guide-stones: “Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 … ”
- J6: The fake riot was mason-planned, incited and guided by FBI agents, who broke into the Capitol !!! The same mason-plot was copy-pasted to disband the insurrection against the stolen elections in Brazil! All intel agencies (CIA, FBI, NSA) were founded by masons and are run by them for their own nefarious goals.
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/j6-what-you-need-to-know
It's such a mason manual that they organized the same J6 play in Brazil when it was proven that the voting machines owned by mason Soros, were rigged:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-2020-american-coup
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/dominion-over-us
- At least since the 90s, vaccines are weaponized to reduce the population, for example:
1. Adding hCG to infertilize women: lab detected in 30 countries
2. Overpassing the FDA 10 ng limit to human DNA “contamination” by 2000%, thus causing neuro-damage (autism, asperger, tics, dyslexia in 29% of kids, etc.) and childhood cancer epidemic (n.b. leukemia, non-Hodgkin’s lymphomas)
Check soundchoice.org or videos at bottom after this page:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/wake-up-videos
- COVID was designed as a primer for even more lethal COVID haccines:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-real-covid-timeline
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/not-vaccine-not-gene-therapy-just
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/what-do-bioweapons-have-to-do-with
- Wake up videos:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/wake-up-videos
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/2050-youll-go-nowhere-and-youll-be
- It's genocide for depopulation:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/depop-vaccines-no-myth
- It’s the masons, who create counterfeited currencies (trillions of dollars and EUROS) and bought the listed corporations, media, healthcare, universities, parties and political careers:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/david-rockefeller-illuminati
Confessions of ex-illuminati Ronald Bernard (all lodges obey the same master, Satan):
http://youtu.be/JAhnCdXqPww
Now, are you really ready for this?:
The full PLAN exposed:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-plan-revealed
16 laws we need to exit Prison Planet
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/laws-to-exit-planet-prison
Pllllleeeeease, on my knees, don’t believe me, just do your own homework by searching the following in yandex.com, mojeek.com (includes crawl date filter and substack search), gigablast.com, startpage.com, duckduckgo.com (not Google, Bing, Yahoo censors). The key terms to test them? Child Satanic Ritual Abuse, Child Satanic Ritual Murder.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/rpn5aj/i_have_found_the_perfect_uncensored_search_engines/
https://www.deepwebsiteslinks.com/uncensored-search-engines-for-anonymous-searching/
If you are a mason or know a mason, ask him to ask his 33° master to put in writing and sign it, who is "the great architect" and that he is not Lucifer. If he refuses, then he’ll know who he is really serving, Satan: tell him to get out of masonry NOW. Sooner or later he’ll be required to trample on a cross to get to a higher degree.
President John Quincy Adams: “Masonry ought forever to be abolished. It is wrong - essentially wrong - a seed of evil, which can never produce any good.”
Confessions of a former mason (Serge Abad-Gallardo):
https://www.ncregister.com/interview/confessions-of-a-former-freemason-officer-converted-to-catholicism
Confessions of ex-illuminati Ronald Bernard (all lodges obey the same master, Satan):
http://youtu.be/JAhnCdXqPww
Confession of 33rd degree master mason - Masons worship deities/demons
https://rumble.com/v294ksc-words-from-33rd-degree-master-mason-rare-video-masons-worship-all-sorts-of-.html
Masonry's Satanic Connection
https://odysee.com/@HiddenTruths:c/Masonry's-Satanic-Connection:4
Masonry's Satanic Doctrine | From Their Own Books
https://rumble.com/v2wg24a-masonrys-satanic-doctrine-from-their-own-books.html
Do Freemasons Worship Lucifer? Evidence They Don't Want You To See
https://odysee.com/@John_4-14:a/Do-Freemasons-Worship-Lucifer%EF%BC%9F-Evidence-They-Don't-Want-You-To-See-%EF%BD%9C-Hidden-Agendas---Walter-Veith:0
Satanic Ritual Abuse and Secret Societies [1995] [VHS]
https://odysee.com/@thisworldworks:1/satanic-ritual-abuse-and-secret-societies-1995:3
Satanic Pedophilia Torture and Blood - Dark Satanic Secrets Revealed
https://odysee.com/@Gmail.com:52/822821884_Satanic-Pedophilia-Torture-and-Blood---Dark-Satanic-Secrets-Revealed:4
UNITED NATIONS LUCIFER AND THE LUCIFER TRUST
https://odysee.com/@dynosarus:c/UNITED-NATIONS-LUCIFER-AND-THE-LUCIFER-TRUST:4
The best way to have a real dialogue about vaccines being weaponized to handicap, infertilize and murder the “over-population” is to start with vaccine contamination: nobody could be in favor of contaminated pharmaceuticals.
1. Carcinogen SV40 in Oral Polio Vaccine: they knew it since the 60s but kept distributing it even until 2016 !!!
2. hCG in vaccines to infertilize women detected since the 90s: still going on
3. Thimerosal, aluminum, Mono-sodium Glutamate (MSG) and other NEUROTOXINS
4. Heavy metals
5. Human DNA 2000% in excess of FDA 10 ng limit (main driver towards brain damage like autism/asperger/ticks, leukemia and non-Hodgkin cancer), probably related to point 7 below.
6. Graphene oxide in Flu and COVID shots but now with anything injectable (even dentist anesthesia, hospital IV, etc.).
7. Carcinogenic SV40 genomic sequences and double-stranded DNA in mRNA COVID shots: the hacked DNA in the cell doesn’t stop producing the poison when the cell dies, but its descent continue the poisoning until the haccinated casualty dies.
8. Bluetooth nano-routers injected with COVID vaccines and inserted with swabs (which explains why they rejected the cheaper non-invasive saliva test).
Proof of criminal intent:
Points 7 and 8
Censoring and blocking 30+ COVID cures
Labeling the most lethal batches with a lethal code (howbad.info)
Blocking the real knowledge of effectiveness v. "adverse event" rate
That proves:
A. There's zero Government control
B. There's zero Manufacturer liability
C. There's zero Media coverage
D. All that, during decades and still going on, not only with vaccines but also with medicines, food&beverage additives, etc. Everything, even institutions have been weaponized!
E. There's zero political action to stop that (except RFK2 in the USA)
A school buddy told me "I know you make sense but if I recognize it's true, I won't be able to enjoy life anymore".
16 laws we need to exit Prison Planet
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/laws-to-exit-planet-prison
If we don’t succeed, they’ll succeed with their 6-sword lethal plan fully exposed here:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-plan-revealed
Change goes in hand with the number of awakened! Thank you for sharing this to save lives!
PS I'm sorry I'm linking to my own substack. It’s not self-promotion: I couldn’t find better links but if you find anything better, I'd be glad to replace.