We’re in England. Think we had covid Nov/Dec’19 - caught from contact at Gatwick Airport - they, and the 3 of us that caught it, didn’t catch delta off family member 18 months later but did catch omicron Dec ‘21. One is blood donor and donated 6 weeks prior to and 6 weeks after suspected infection ( and 3 monthly since). They donated convalescent plasma in May’20 and told antibodies too low to be useful ( defined as less than 6). I wrote to haematologist ( I’m a retired GP) and asked if they could assess for covid antibodies in all pre and post donations - they replied ‘not my job’. I tried to prove it was here earlier but was powerless.
Right - "apparent" just means that it didn't show up in a modest sample (125) as well as in several locations in the first "pandemic" sample. So that supports most spread not happening until the accepted, official "outbreak" timeline. And shows that Pacific US and Italy were true front-runners, not representative of what was going on everywhere, which is what I find illuminating about these results.
But if it was already in Italy and Pacific US and maybe east coast US in late 2019, it's impossible there were truly *0* cases in England or anywhere else. A bigger sample of kids (or maybe kids + adults is required for pre-pandemic positivity, but I doubt it) might find a percentage similar to Australia (0.29% in 1,548 donors *edit that should say .7% in 5,339 donors, but that was post-"first wave").
• Italy: “The earliest sample with evidence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA was from September 12, 2019.”
• In Oct 2019 the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation co-hosted “Event 201” , in which 15 global business, government, and public health leaders took part in a simulation exercise based on responding to an international “coronavirus” pandemic. The first report of COVID-19 occurred in Nov 2019.
• In many cities (Barcelona , Buenos Aires , Florianopolis , Milan , etc.) COVID-19 was detected in sewage waters at least one month prior to the alleged Dec 2020 wet market spread, but not before Nov 2020, yet it is a proxy of about 2 weeks earlier than public PCR-case statistics.
One very odd thing about this debacle has been that knowledge of novelty would have given governments an out for getting everything totally wrong about virulence, mode of spread, effectiveness of restrictions, lack of any prior immunity and so on.
At any time they could have said: sorry folks about all that, we actually knew it was novel but couldn’t tell you all as there would have been mass panic, and because it was novel we had to assume no immunity, and limit spread etc.
Now we know that notwithstanding the novelty our immune systems can cope it’s all over guys!! Let’s celebrate!
They could have sold that, but instead chose to dismantle society, which suggests there really was another agenda.
Yes, that's how I knew we were in for another War on Terror style reset and as well that biology was totally rotted by some sort of political cult. What the news should have said was, "We talked to a *single* person who has been keeping up with biology since the last 60 years, and discovered there is a cure for this novel virus: The innate immune system. We all have one already. Back to life, everyone." But I still don't know if it's really a political cult or just that loads of biologists are germaphobic elderly.
How certain are you that the RT-PCR that Kari Mullis stated strongly will not, can not identify, ie detect, a specific viral component, it simply amplifies everything put into the process? Also what about Cycle thresholds, the Ct values that are mostly never mentioned and yet can be so critical to what the PCR makes 'visible'. to the observer?
Antibodies have been shown to be a very poor indicator of immunity and without clear clinical evidence is it possible to say with certain ty that any antibody believed related to SARS-Cov-2 is specific to only that entity? The antibody testing claimed to indicate HIV has proven - well let's say problematic as to true proof of HIV exposure. Population with very high rates of Measles vaccination and antibody counts suffered measles somewhat as prevalent as unvaccinated or those with low antibody counts
PCR positivity and antibody seropositivity ended up being a good proxy for "won't test positive again" up until the Omicron era. Unless we're talking about vaccine-induced antibodies, of course. That's why zero "natural immunity doesn't work" studies actually ever came out.
An idea popped into my mind as I read this article. I don't fully understand many things I read, so it's possible this idea is very dumb, but here it is: What if the virus leaked several months before October 2019, but it did not have the mutations to allow it to spread? Government authorities across the world might have agreed to monitor the virus for mutations that increase spread while preparing for the worst by the wargaming the handling of a pandemic, organizing the media for censorship and propaganda, and so on. Then later in 2019 with the B.1 mutation in Italy it became clear that the virus leak that had been festering for months was now becoming a pandemic and would need to become public. This would create the illusion that government leaders had foreknowledge of the pandemic due to some conspiracy when in fact they were quietly monitoring a leaked virus while prudently preparing for the possibility of a dangerous variant in the future.
If I had to guess, they weren't counting on it spreading effectively at all. The intention was to do a re-run of the 2009 swine flu panic but make sure the media didn't drop the ball and acknowledge that reality wasn't that bad. And it probably never would have been that bad even with B.1, if not for the direct harms of lockdown. Everywhere would have been like Sweden, if the news hadn't mentioned anything no one would have noticed.
Kids and teens have strong *innate* immune systems which eliminate common viruses without engaging the machinery of the B and T memory apparatus, right? At least, that's what I've been gleaning from Geert over the past 2 years...
Yeah... kids do, actually, have memory immunity. I don't really know how to appraise a biological model which proposes that innate immunity secretly *is* memory immunity. Does GvB have any raw data to back up his assertions?
Possibly, but I'm on my 3rd drink of the evening and not all here. It didn't even occur to me until after posting my comment that antibodies aren't the same as B and T cell memories. But what I remember from GvB is that when NK cells and macrophages eliminate viruses, they "learn" but still don't engage the acquired immune response.
Even in 2020 the circumstantial evidence against the Wuhan Institute of Virology and other biolabs in Wuhan was compelling and as close to conclusive as circumstantial evidence can get.
The most damning evidence against China being the origin of SARS-CoV-2 is the documented stripping of medical supplies and PPE from Australia before the pandemic spread. That was quite the scandal in Australia at the time and well documented by the Australian media.
But from the outset the evidences of Wuhan's involvement in the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 have always accumulated, with very little if any of the evidences ever needing retraction. What was true in 2020 is still true in 2022. Laboratory origins and a bioweapon hypothesis were already attracting significant attention in certain alt-media circles.
What is somewhat disappointing is how the newer lab origin theories seem to just discard the prior evidences in order to make that narrative fit. The evidence against Wuhan remains very much a part of the record and should not be forgotten..
These later studies merely add the already overwhelming circumstantial case against a bioweapon or Lab Origin theory.
Great article. Interesting that it popped up in CA and Italy, but not surprising. I guess I would be interested to know if there were any cases namely in NC (near EcoHealth) or NY (another big hub for international crossover), or in the military, primarily after the Military Games... the armed forces probably have good medical records of anyone getting sick afterwards and/or blood samples..
There is an anecdotal nursing home thing in northern Virginia that I have seen referenced. NY seems to have been quiet until the Europe-derived B.1 landed. Otherwise I don't see why the Bay (SF and Santa Clara) would have been duds.
We’re in England. Think we had covid Nov/Dec’19 - caught from contact at Gatwick Airport - they, and the 3 of us that caught it, didn’t catch delta off family member 18 months later but did catch omicron Dec ‘21. One is blood donor and donated 6 weeks prior to and 6 weeks after suspected infection ( and 3 monthly since). They donated convalescent plasma in May’20 and told antibodies too low to be useful ( defined as less than 6). I wrote to haematologist ( I’m a retired GP) and asked if they could assess for covid antibodies in all pre and post donations - they replied ‘not my job’. I tried to prove it was here earlier but was powerless.
Right - "apparent" just means that it didn't show up in a modest sample (125) as well as in several locations in the first "pandemic" sample. So that supports most spread not happening until the accepted, official "outbreak" timeline. And shows that Pacific US and Italy were true front-runners, not representative of what was going on everywhere, which is what I find illuminating about these results.
But if it was already in Italy and Pacific US and maybe east coast US in late 2019, it's impossible there were truly *0* cases in England or anywhere else. A bigger sample of kids (or maybe kids + adults is required for pre-pandemic positivity, but I doubt it) might find a percentage similar to Australia (0.29% in 1,548 donors *edit that should say .7% in 5,339 donors, but that was post-"first wave").
More evidence of lab origin:
• Italy: “The earliest sample with evidence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA was from September 12, 2019.”
• In Oct 2019 the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation co-hosted “Event 201” , in which 15 global business, government, and public health leaders took part in a simulation exercise based on responding to an international “coronavirus” pandemic. The first report of COVID-19 occurred in Nov 2019.
• In many cities (Barcelona , Buenos Aires , Florianopolis , Milan , etc.) COVID-19 was detected in sewage waters at least one month prior to the alleged Dec 2020 wet market spread, but not before Nov 2020, yet it is a proxy of about 2 weeks earlier than public PCR-case statistics.
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One very odd thing about this debacle has been that knowledge of novelty would have given governments an out for getting everything totally wrong about virulence, mode of spread, effectiveness of restrictions, lack of any prior immunity and so on.
At any time they could have said: sorry folks about all that, we actually knew it was novel but couldn’t tell you all as there would have been mass panic, and because it was novel we had to assume no immunity, and limit spread etc.
Now we know that notwithstanding the novelty our immune systems can cope it’s all over guys!! Let’s celebrate!
They could have sold that, but instead chose to dismantle society, which suggests there really was another agenda.
Yes, that's how I knew we were in for another War on Terror style reset and as well that biology was totally rotted by some sort of political cult. What the news should have said was, "We talked to a *single* person who has been keeping up with biology since the last 60 years, and discovered there is a cure for this novel virus: The innate immune system. We all have one already. Back to life, everyone." But I still don't know if it's really a political cult or just that loads of biologists are germaphobic elderly.
Excellent work. Some solid analysis
Thanks!
How certain are you that the RT-PCR that Kari Mullis stated strongly will not, can not identify, ie detect, a specific viral component, it simply amplifies everything put into the process? Also what about Cycle thresholds, the Ct values that are mostly never mentioned and yet can be so critical to what the PCR makes 'visible'. to the observer?
Antibodies have been shown to be a very poor indicator of immunity and without clear clinical evidence is it possible to say with certain ty that any antibody believed related to SARS-Cov-2 is specific to only that entity? The antibody testing claimed to indicate HIV has proven - well let's say problematic as to true proof of HIV exposure. Population with very high rates of Measles vaccination and antibody counts suffered measles somewhat as prevalent as unvaccinated or those with low antibody counts
PCR positivity and antibody seropositivity ended up being a good proxy for "won't test positive again" up until the Omicron era. Unless we're talking about vaccine-induced antibodies, of course. That's why zero "natural immunity doesn't work" studies actually ever came out.
From the Oxford University Hospitals (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034545) to Cleveland Clinic (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v4) to Israel (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.04.21267114v1), the PCR and antibody tests, were, IRL, validated for showing "immunity" before Omicron.
An idea popped into my mind as I read this article. I don't fully understand many things I read, so it's possible this idea is very dumb, but here it is: What if the virus leaked several months before October 2019, but it did not have the mutations to allow it to spread? Government authorities across the world might have agreed to monitor the virus for mutations that increase spread while preparing for the worst by the wargaming the handling of a pandemic, organizing the media for censorship and propaganda, and so on. Then later in 2019 with the B.1 mutation in Italy it became clear that the virus leak that had been festering for months was now becoming a pandemic and would need to become public. This would create the illusion that government leaders had foreknowledge of the pandemic due to some conspiracy when in fact they were quietly monitoring a leaked virus while prudently preparing for the possibility of a dangerous variant in the future.
This is not dumb at all.
If I had to guess, they weren't counting on it spreading effectively at all. The intention was to do a re-run of the 2009 swine flu panic but make sure the media didn't drop the ball and acknowledge that reality wasn't that bad. And it probably never would have been that bad even with B.1, if not for the direct harms of lockdown. Everywhere would have been like Sweden, if the news hadn't mentioned anything no one would have noticed.
"Kids and teens ... had no antibodies"...
Kids and teens have strong *innate* immune systems which eliminate common viruses without engaging the machinery of the B and T memory apparatus, right? At least, that's what I've been gleaning from Geert over the past 2 years...
Yeah... kids do, actually, have memory immunity. I don't really know how to appraise a biological model which proposes that innate immunity secretly *is* memory immunity. Does GvB have any raw data to back up his assertions?
Possibly, but I'm on my 3rd drink of the evening and not all here. It didn't even occur to me until after posting my comment that antibodies aren't the same as B and T cell memories. But what I remember from GvB is that when NK cells and macrophages eliminate viruses, they "learn" but still don't engage the acquired immune response.
Even in 2020 the circumstantial evidence against the Wuhan Institute of Virology and other biolabs in Wuhan was compelling and as close to conclusive as circumstantial evidence can get.
https://newsletter.allfactsmatter.us/p/ccpvirus-yes-it-is-bioweaponhtml
The most damning evidence against China being the origin of SARS-CoV-2 is the documented stripping of medical supplies and PPE from Australia before the pandemic spread. That was quite the scandal in Australia at the time and well documented by the Australian media.
But from the outset the evidences of Wuhan's involvement in the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 have always accumulated, with very little if any of the evidences ever needing retraction. What was true in 2020 is still true in 2022. Laboratory origins and a bioweapon hypothesis were already attracting significant attention in certain alt-media circles.
https://newsletter.allfactsmatter.us/p/covid-19-as-a-bioweapon
What is somewhat disappointing is how the newer lab origin theories seem to just discard the prior evidences in order to make that narrative fit. The evidence against Wuhan remains very much a part of the record and should not be forgotten..
These later studies merely add the already overwhelming circumstantial case against a bioweapon or Lab Origin theory.
Great article. Interesting that it popped up in CA and Italy, but not surprising. I guess I would be interested to know if there were any cases namely in NC (near EcoHealth) or NY (another big hub for international crossover), or in the military, primarily after the Military Games... the armed forces probably have good medical records of anyone getting sick afterwards and/or blood samples..
There is an anecdotal nursing home thing in northern Virginia that I have seen referenced. NY seems to have been quiet until the Europe-derived B.1 landed. Otherwise I don't see why the Bay (SF and Santa Clara) would have been duds.
Were the VA cases near Langley, VA? Asking for a friend.. :)
If it's NoVa, it's near Langley. But actually I wouldn't bet my left arm on it being NoVa, let me try to find a citation...
*edit: so, Springfield. South of Langley but there wouldn't be many care homes up near the Potomac so that makes sense https://abcnews.go.com/US/respiratory-outbreak-investigated-retirement-community-54-residents-fall/story?id=64275865
Can’t circulate a fake virus that does not exist.
Yes you can.