Thank you for the interesting read. (I am of the mind that there are few coincidences occurring these last few years—- and possibly going back many more years….?)
Although that screenshot speaks of smallpox, not monkeypox. No idea how similar.
I have seen articles talking about studies suggesting weakening parts of the innate immune system in the past, but don't remember the details or understand enough to know whether this fits together to some combined nasty effect.
At any rate, the prophetic skills of some people is astonishing
Indeed. I don’t want to comment in any dismissive way RE the monkey pox timing until I look into it further. But the post about smallpox just matches the hints being thrown out in the MSM in late autumn. Everything else in the thread by scalar seems mostly “look-shiny”....
“ Limited available data from in vitro studies evaluating sera from unvaccinated individuals who have experienced a prior BA.1 infection indicate that both BA.4 and BA.5 are capable of escaping immune protection induced by infection with BA.1” - This echos my comments in footnote 4, but makes the classic error of conflating antibodies with “immune protection.” The “capability” of immune escape is not “indicated” by neutralization assay. These same gizmos promised us that Delta would defeat natural immunity, and were wrong. So, time will tell.
I've learned through the last two years that anything published, in this sense, is what they want us think, not the reality. Having tested positive for covid (with symptomatic illness) twice, along with my sealed opinion that Omicron was a purposeful lab release, I am leaning toward this BA.4 and BA.5 being a push for booster uptake and nothing more.
So is "chronic" Covid the same as constant reinfections, and is "Long Covid" a subset of this? Is there a distinction? As I've repeated in comments across substack, chronic Lyme disease is dismissed by the CDC as hypochondria (thus not covered by insurance), yet chronic or Long Covid is having pots of money thrown at it and is big in the headlines these days.
I'm rather sensitive to this subject because I have close family members and good friends whose health has been destroyed by chronic Lyme, and they spend lots of money out of pocket on attempted treatments.
They can be looked at as potentially related. For me though I’ve always been skeptical of both chronic SARS-CoV-2 infection and viral reservoirs as a driver of LC, just because the virus doesn’t have a lot of obvious ways to pull that off (except for with the help of Paxlovid). As opposed to bacteria who are exquisite experts at forming niches with biofilms, and obviously can self-replicate without requiring antibody evasion, etc.
Appreciate the constantly skeptical eye. Suggesting the possibility that *everything* is a psy-op accords more and more with my ever-increasing cynicism. Enjoy your coffee.
Yeah, I don't quite understand how the public doesn't keep in their mind that this may be/ likely is a bioweapon. I guess that possibility is too... as you say gruesome... to face for some.
Fantastic article and gives a lot of food for thought!
Just like you, I thought that Ba1 was lab made.
In my own mind, Chronic Covid is a logical completion of "Repeat Covid", which is that repeat Covid reinfections in the boosted will erode the remainder of the boosted's immune systems, and will gradually become one constant, chronic Covid infection like a chronic HIV infection. Imagine tens of millions chronically or frequently ill Covid patients, breeding new airborne variants for each other, and intermixing and stirring their swarms endlessly.
Regarding the media "normalizing" Chronic Covid: these people (vaccinators and the lying media and fact checkers) have a lot to lose if they cede control of the narrative. They can lose everything including their lives. Thus, they will fight the truth tooth and nail.
In the end, all of this may end up not mattering, and in a few years, we will have a much smaller in size, and much more like minded society. Future historians will be figuring out which of those dead people manipulated other dead people into taking vaccines that killed them all.
This is not something I want, quite the opposite, it is my nightmare.
I also hope not. San Diego is finally open enough to see big crowds of people and everyone looks as healthy as before. I still think if there’s immune impairment it requires a network effect to see the results.
And as my article posits I’m more inclined to bet that the media is normalizing “reinfection” because Omicron was a more successful run of what they want the new normal to be. Alpha - Delta weren’t mutant enough to overcome natural immunity. Keeping in mind that he media never even acknowledged natural immunity until Omicron came and made it obsolete.
This comes back to our original disagreement about natural immunity in the vaxed and N protein... I actually loved disagreeing with you on that one. It felt like a good, healthy debate.
Reinfections by vaccine status could settle our debate, but no government on earth will release that data.
I hope, emotionally, that you are right about hoping that the vaxed can get natural immunity. But the data I see makes me skeptical of that hope.
At what point do you think prophylactic treatment is warranted in the previously infected, simply because we're going to be exposed to SARS-CoV-2 on a daily basis? I've been concerned that even if we have strong mucosal immunity, such frequent exposures could eventually take a toll on innate immunity and T cells.
Right, that was the question posed by my post in September (hence “Forever Spike”)I would say that the UK has been a place where unnatural chronic exposure has been going on for a year now, though may finally be ending. So if you’re in that kind of environment it’s time to start thinking about what to do. Prophylaxis, innate immune care, emigration, what have you. I still don’t think most places have become truly “a-seasonal” and so I’m personally more wary about yearly mutants. My presumed Omicron in January wasn’t “bad flu” level but still is not something I would want to repeat yearly.
I think we had Wuhan Covid very early (late 2019 and early 2020.) We all had something this Jan-Feb, son had a Covid LFT from Europe, which was +ve. Didn't need the IVM stash and lost 11#. Maybe an annual repeat would be beneficial!
Great article and fascinating thought exercise. It is wild to see the zero covidian doom sellers sharing the same thoughts as the covid vaccine is the end times sellers. Thanks for confirming what i'm seeing. I follow Igor and see many masked MD's worried about VAIDS etc Just to follow to your original thinking BA1: was intended for release as a “Pandemic exit viral vaccine,” and BA.2 was the accident. Are BA3,4,5 accidents or releases as well? Has anyone gotten thoughts on biological weapons expert Nicholson Baker who wrote the highly recommended Baseless.
In “Omicron Origins” I offered a “fictional” reconstruction in which BA.2 was the intended release, though only after a loss and recovery of some sort. But that’s just a template and an intended BA.1
release is possible, or even an intended co-release of the whole family. Maybe someone wanted to see how that would play out compared to the multi-site release of Alpha - Delta. The key evidence and argument is that BA.1 didn’t have the same evolutionary pressure as BA.2 and neither the same as their Last Common Ancestor which I termed BA.0. So there were at least three separate evolutionary pressure environments resulting in the two classes, and 4 and 5 also suggest a recombination even partway (but not enough to dismiss BA.0 as an illusion of the recomb). I’ll check out your recommendation
I'm curious myself to the horseshoe theory taking place, such that both COVID zealots and COVID skeptics believe we may be doomed by either/or, and I'm just standing here looking in wondering why everyone has become rather hysterical (but I have my thoughts on why this is happening).
Well I didn't realize the NYT wanted my money on May 16; I thought they wanted it every day!
I think this is all rather interesting, if not heavily conflated for the incessant need to mass test. I do wonder if we stopped these nationwide testing procedures and relied solely on hospitalization if the public would be able to discern an active infection with allergies. I believe eugyppius made this argument in one of his recent shorter posts suggesting we are constantly infected with very mild strains of respiratory viruses. It begs the question if we would be really aware of what's going on if not for constant testing.
I do find it ironic that one of the headlines stated that we will constantly be infected...unless we get newer vaccines. Excuse me, but if we are constantly going to be infected at what point can I cash in my naturally immunity coupon with all of these natural infections? Or do I still need to get the latest and greatest vaccine to gain entry back into civil society?
I think this all really boils down to the media and public health officials really not knowing how to respond to everything and thus is really throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing how the public reacts. We're seeing this with the whole monkeypox issue right now quite frankly.
Monkeypox: even though there's only a double handful of cases worldwide, at my book group meeting yesterday it was a big topic of conversation. It's like pandemics are now a fad.
Well, we don’t have any more authentic fads to small-talk about since society shut itself down. Netflix is still releasing shows shot before 2020.
But there’s also an elegant resemblance between viruses and cultural tastes and fads, especially in music. Will monkeypox be 2022’s summer hit (I have even forgotten the most recent idiom for “summer hits”).
It's a big topic of conversation because we are made to believe it's a big topic of conversation. I've referenced this term quite often and I will mention it even more as it feels apt, but we are in an "infodemic" in which we are inundated with information that makes a mountain out of an ant hill. Ironically the term came from a WaPo journalist and was used when describing the original SARS-COV-1 phenomenon:
"SARS is the story of not one epidemic but two, and the second epidemic, the one that has largely escaped the headlines, has implications that are far greater than the disease itself. That is because it is not the viral epidemic but rather an "information epidemic" that has transformed SARS, or severe acute respiratory syndrome, from a bungled Chinese regional health crisis into a global economic and social debacle.… [T]he information epidemic—or "infodemic"—has made the public health crisis harder to control and contain.
What exactly do I mean by the "infodemic"? A few facts, mixed with fear, speculation and rumor, amplified and relayed swiftly worldwide by modern information technologies, have affected national and international economies, politics and even security in ways that are utterly disproportionate with the root realities. It is a phenomenon we have seen with greater frequency in recent years—not only in our reaction to SARS, for example, but also in our response to terrorism and even to relatively minor occurrences such as shark sightings."
— David Rothkopf, The Washington Post, 11 May 2003
"I believe eugyppius made this argument in one of his recent shorter posts suggesting we are constantly infected with very mild strains of respiratory viruses."
Exactly. If it wasn't for all the testing and hype, this might be largely indistinguishable from the common cold.
Right, it does seem to be in a tail wagging the dog mode where the media’s curation of expert quotes in a negative light is used to condition other experts to try and make the media “like us again.”
So we get 4th shots and kids boosters and etc., instead of the experts being pushed by phrama they’re pulled by an imitation of public demand by the media.
I'm trying to figure out how I want to word this, but I really believe that we're in a recursive state that public health officials helped get us into with no out. They scared everyone, they doubled down, and they told people the vaccines will be the saviors. That didn't work, and now they don't know what the hell to do because the masses were trained out of their critical thinking skills and need someone to turn to.
It's quite ironic how the religious zealotry which Faucism has found itself is now turning on its savior. People are extremely angry that their idol has abandoned them to *gasp* think for themselves and make their own decisions!
I guess in a more comical sense, I'm reminded of this episode of American Dad where Roger gets into an accident and gains the ability to see the future, only to have the family not act on their own for fear they make a mistake, leading them to ask Roger to predict every little thing that they do.
What sets off my “op radar” is anyone who asserts “we’ve always known not to vaccinate into a pandemic” as some literal scientific axiom that they have seen the original hard data for. Nope, that’s not how biology works. The Salk polio trial essentially falsified the hypothesis. And then this always leads into a narrative that blames the vaccines for how the virus “evolves.” Again polio is a decades-long counter example. So it’s just a mirror image of the MSM experts’ “trust us, it’s fine” (“trust us, it’s a disaster”). I don’t care if a “of course this is just a hypothesis” is added after the fact. Once you put the “axiom” card on the table I’m half out the door.
If the axiom is left out, then yes I fully support trying to look into any and all disaster potentials including immune escape.
So I find open-minded examinations like Igor’s way more trustworthy and productive, even if a bit less cautious than my own approach haha.
They could be doing so already, so maybe it’s more that they want the vaxxed to stop comparing themselves to the unvaxxed altogether and preserve the “would have been so much worse” line which is only valid for an unknowable minority of recipients and only in a absence of the therapeutics they spurned.
Intentional seems to be all we are left with…..
Thank you for the interesting read. (I am of the mind that there are few coincidences occurring these last few years—- and possibly going back many more years….?)
Does the claim on the screenshot this guy posts make any remote sense whatsoever?
https://2ndsmartestguyintheworld.substack.com/p/why-is-the-who-convening-emergency
Although that screenshot speaks of smallpox, not monkeypox. No idea how similar.
I have seen articles talking about studies suggesting weakening parts of the innate immune system in the past, but don't remember the details or understand enough to know whether this fits together to some combined nasty effect.
At any rate, the prophetic skills of some people is astonishing
https://michaelpsenger.substack.com/p/the-prophetic-monkeypox-simulation
Indeed. I don’t want to comment in any dismissive way RE the monkey pox timing until I look into it further. But the post about smallpox just matches the hints being thrown out in the MSM in late autumn. Everything else in the thread by scalar seems mostly “look-shiny”....
So, Brian- do you buy the European CDC's report (https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/epidemiological-update-sars-cov-2-omicron-sub-lineages-ba4-and-ba5) that unvaccinated individuals with prior BA.1 infection are unprotected from reinfection? I suppose this is the exact type of data that suggests another lab release...
“ Limited available data from in vitro studies evaluating sera from unvaccinated individuals who have experienced a prior BA.1 infection indicate that both BA.4 and BA.5 are capable of escaping immune protection induced by infection with BA.1” - This echos my comments in footnote 4, but makes the classic error of conflating antibodies with “immune protection.” The “capability” of immune escape is not “indicated” by neutralization assay. These same gizmos promised us that Delta would defeat natural immunity, and were wrong. So, time will tell.
I've learned through the last two years that anything published, in this sense, is what they want us think, not the reality. Having tested positive for covid (with symptomatic illness) twice, along with my sealed opinion that Omicron was a purposeful lab release, I am leaning toward this BA.4 and BA.5 being a push for booster uptake and nothing more.
Perhaps. They might make it a lot more difficult to promote an “Omicron booster” at the same time. So it could be another upset of the plans
So is "chronic" Covid the same as constant reinfections, and is "Long Covid" a subset of this? Is there a distinction? As I've repeated in comments across substack, chronic Lyme disease is dismissed by the CDC as hypochondria (thus not covered by insurance), yet chronic or Long Covid is having pots of money thrown at it and is big in the headlines these days.
I'm rather sensitive to this subject because I have close family members and good friends whose health has been destroyed by chronic Lyme, and they spend lots of money out of pocket on attempted treatments.
They can be looked at as potentially related. For me though I’ve always been skeptical of both chronic SARS-CoV-2 infection and viral reservoirs as a driver of LC, just because the virus doesn’t have a lot of obvious ways to pull that off (except for with the help of Paxlovid). As opposed to bacteria who are exquisite experts at forming niches with biofilms, and obviously can self-replicate without requiring antibody evasion, etc.
Appreciate the constantly skeptical eye. Suggesting the possibility that *everything* is a psy-op accords more and more with my ever-increasing cynicism. Enjoy your coffee.
Thank you - It will probably be a McDonalds red eye (secret menu item), unless I’m near a Peet’s.
Great post, good points. 👍🏼💕
Yeah, I don't quite understand how the public doesn't keep in their mind that this may be/ likely is a bioweapon. I guess that possibility is too... as you say gruesome... to face for some.
It might be more about the what the underlings in the media can stomach than what the viewer / voter would think. Who knows...
Fantastic article and gives a lot of food for thought!
Just like you, I thought that Ba1 was lab made.
In my own mind, Chronic Covid is a logical completion of "Repeat Covid", which is that repeat Covid reinfections in the boosted will erode the remainder of the boosted's immune systems, and will gradually become one constant, chronic Covid infection like a chronic HIV infection. Imagine tens of millions chronically or frequently ill Covid patients, breeding new airborne variants for each other, and intermixing and stirring their swarms endlessly.
Regarding the media "normalizing" Chronic Covid: these people (vaccinators and the lying media and fact checkers) have a lot to lose if they cede control of the narrative. They can lose everything including their lives. Thus, they will fight the truth tooth and nail.
In the end, all of this may end up not mattering, and in a few years, we will have a much smaller in size, and much more like minded society. Future historians will be figuring out which of those dead people manipulated other dead people into taking vaccines that killed them all.
This is not something I want, quite the opposite, it is my nightmare.
I also hope not. San Diego is finally open enough to see big crowds of people and everyone looks as healthy as before. I still think if there’s immune impairment it requires a network effect to see the results.
And as my article posits I’m more inclined to bet that the media is normalizing “reinfection” because Omicron was a more successful run of what they want the new normal to be. Alpha - Delta weren’t mutant enough to overcome natural immunity. Keeping in mind that he media never even acknowledged natural immunity until Omicron came and made it obsolete.
This comes back to our original disagreement about natural immunity in the vaxed and N protein... I actually loved disagreeing with you on that one. It felt like a good, healthy debate.
Reinfections by vaccine status could settle our debate, but no government on earth will release that data.
I hope, emotionally, that you are right about hoping that the vaxed can get natural immunity. But the data I see makes me skeptical of that hope.
At what point do you think prophylactic treatment is warranted in the previously infected, simply because we're going to be exposed to SARS-CoV-2 on a daily basis? I've been concerned that even if we have strong mucosal immunity, such frequent exposures could eventually take a toll on innate immunity and T cells.
Right, that was the question posed by my post in September (hence “Forever Spike”)I would say that the UK has been a place where unnatural chronic exposure has been going on for a year now, though may finally be ending. So if you’re in that kind of environment it’s time to start thinking about what to do. Prophylaxis, innate immune care, emigration, what have you. I still don’t think most places have become truly “a-seasonal” and so I’m personally more wary about yearly mutants. My presumed Omicron in January wasn’t “bad flu” level but still is not something I would want to repeat yearly.
I think we had Wuhan Covid very early (late 2019 and early 2020.) We all had something this Jan-Feb, son had a Covid LFT from Europe, which was +ve. Didn't need the IVM stash and lost 11#. Maybe an annual repeat would be beneficial!
I continue to worry that widespread prophylaxis might drive resistance to the medication. HIV treatment with HAART is the model.
Great article and fascinating thought exercise. It is wild to see the zero covidian doom sellers sharing the same thoughts as the covid vaccine is the end times sellers. Thanks for confirming what i'm seeing. I follow Igor and see many masked MD's worried about VAIDS etc Just to follow to your original thinking BA1: was intended for release as a “Pandemic exit viral vaccine,” and BA.2 was the accident. Are BA3,4,5 accidents or releases as well? Has anyone gotten thoughts on biological weapons expert Nicholson Baker who wrote the highly recommended Baseless.
In “Omicron Origins” I offered a “fictional” reconstruction in which BA.2 was the intended release, though only after a loss and recovery of some sort. But that’s just a template and an intended BA.1
release is possible, or even an intended co-release of the whole family. Maybe someone wanted to see how that would play out compared to the multi-site release of Alpha - Delta. The key evidence and argument is that BA.1 didn’t have the same evolutionary pressure as BA.2 and neither the same as their Last Common Ancestor which I termed BA.0. So there were at least three separate evolutionary pressure environments resulting in the two classes, and 4 and 5 also suggest a recombination even partway (but not enough to dismiss BA.0 as an illusion of the recomb). I’ll check out your recommendation
I'm curious myself to the horseshoe theory taking place, such that both COVID zealots and COVID skeptics believe we may be doomed by either/or, and I'm just standing here looking in wondering why everyone has become rather hysterical (but I have my thoughts on why this is happening).
Well, the simple answer is that most people in the media or “online” don’t want the Pandemic™ to ever end
Well I didn't realize the NYT wanted my money on May 16; I thought they wanted it every day!
I think this is all rather interesting, if not heavily conflated for the incessant need to mass test. I do wonder if we stopped these nationwide testing procedures and relied solely on hospitalization if the public would be able to discern an active infection with allergies. I believe eugyppius made this argument in one of his recent shorter posts suggesting we are constantly infected with very mild strains of respiratory viruses. It begs the question if we would be really aware of what's going on if not for constant testing.
I do find it ironic that one of the headlines stated that we will constantly be infected...unless we get newer vaccines. Excuse me, but if we are constantly going to be infected at what point can I cash in my naturally immunity coupon with all of these natural infections? Or do I still need to get the latest and greatest vaccine to gain entry back into civil society?
I think this all really boils down to the media and public health officials really not knowing how to respond to everything and thus is really throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing how the public reacts. We're seeing this with the whole monkeypox issue right now quite frankly.
Monkeypox: even though there's only a double handful of cases worldwide, at my book group meeting yesterday it was a big topic of conversation. It's like pandemics are now a fad.
Well, we don’t have any more authentic fads to small-talk about since society shut itself down. Netflix is still releasing shows shot before 2020.
But there’s also an elegant resemblance between viruses and cultural tastes and fads, especially in music. Will monkeypox be 2022’s summer hit (I have even forgotten the most recent idiom for “summer hits”).
It's a big topic of conversation because we are made to believe it's a big topic of conversation. I've referenced this term quite often and I will mention it even more as it feels apt, but we are in an "infodemic" in which we are inundated with information that makes a mountain out of an ant hill. Ironically the term came from a WaPo journalist and was used when describing the original SARS-COV-1 phenomenon:
"SARS is the story of not one epidemic but two, and the second epidemic, the one that has largely escaped the headlines, has implications that are far greater than the disease itself. That is because it is not the viral epidemic but rather an "information epidemic" that has transformed SARS, or severe acute respiratory syndrome, from a bungled Chinese regional health crisis into a global economic and social debacle.… [T]he information epidemic—or "infodemic"—has made the public health crisis harder to control and contain.
What exactly do I mean by the "infodemic"? A few facts, mixed with fear, speculation and rumor, amplified and relayed swiftly worldwide by modern information technologies, have affected national and international economies, politics and even security in ways that are utterly disproportionate with the root realities. It is a phenomenon we have seen with greater frequency in recent years—not only in our reaction to SARS, for example, but also in our response to terrorism and even to relatively minor occurrences such as shark sightings."
— David Rothkopf, The Washington Post, 11 May 2003
"I believe eugyppius made this argument in one of his recent shorter posts suggesting we are constantly infected with very mild strains of respiratory viruses."
Exactly. If it wasn't for all the testing and hype, this might be largely indistinguishable from the common cold.
Right, it does seem to be in a tail wagging the dog mode where the media’s curation of expert quotes in a negative light is used to condition other experts to try and make the media “like us again.”
So we get 4th shots and kids boosters and etc., instead of the experts being pushed by phrama they’re pulled by an imitation of public demand by the media.
I'm trying to figure out how I want to word this, but I really believe that we're in a recursive state that public health officials helped get us into with no out. They scared everyone, they doubled down, and they told people the vaccines will be the saviors. That didn't work, and now they don't know what the hell to do because the masses were trained out of their critical thinking skills and need someone to turn to.
It's quite ironic how the religious zealotry which Faucism has found itself is now turning on its savior. People are extremely angry that their idol has abandoned them to *gasp* think for themselves and make their own decisions!
I guess in a more comical sense, I'm reminded of this episode of American Dad where Roger gets into an accident and gains the ability to see the future, only to have the family not act on their own for fear they make a mistake, leading them to ask Roger to predict every little thing that they do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-KOZXNDRyk
What sets off my “op radar” is anyone who asserts “we’ve always known not to vaccinate into a pandemic” as some literal scientific axiom that they have seen the original hard data for. Nope, that’s not how biology works. The Salk polio trial essentially falsified the hypothesis. And then this always leads into a narrative that blames the vaccines for how the virus “evolves.” Again polio is a decades-long counter example. So it’s just a mirror image of the MSM experts’ “trust us, it’s fine” (“trust us, it’s a disaster”). I don’t care if a “of course this is just a hypothesis” is added after the fact. Once you put the “axiom” card on the table I’m half out the door.
If the axiom is left out, then yes I fully support trying to look into any and all disaster potentials including immune escape.
So I find open-minded examinations like Igor’s way more trustworthy and productive, even if a bit less cautious than my own approach haha.
I miss the days when everything was “because the unvaccinated.” I wasn’t prepared for Scapegoating Withdrawal.
They could be doing so already, so maybe it’s more that they want the vaxxed to stop comparing themselves to the unvaxxed altogether and preserve the “would have been so much worse” line which is only valid for an unknowable minority of recipients and only in a absence of the therapeutics they spurned.