Interesting thread on how the NYT readers are responding. Not what I would have expected... actually, it kind of is what I would have expected, I've just been used to my expectations being wrong so often recently.
I haven't read much about the subway killing. To me.. it was just sad. I didn't participate in the poll because there wasn't a choice of "sad tragic incident". I wish someone had a video of the man's behavior before he was restrained in a chokehold so we could see if that level of restraint was necessary or not. Without it, I can't make a judgment one way or another. These days you never know if someone has a weapon, so that's always a factor as well.
It's my understanding poverty and trauma are the strongest indicators of crime, not race.
Surely the media inflames, hides and outright lies about crime.
NYC sells itself as progressive but it's the most racist place I have lived. I have heard people loudly ranting with racist remarks on the subway, been yelled at by angry drivers as I crossed the street being called not very nice things, seen coworkers getting racist comments on the street. Weirdest one was being called a "TCBY MFer" two doors down from my apartment as I walked home. I used to feel comfortable photographing protests and generally didn't get any flak from protestors or law enforcement but in 2020 that all changed and the hostility for just using a real camera (and perhaps the color of my skin?) was real and convinced me to stop photographing protests for a variety of reasons, safety being one of them.
Only read this quickly as gotta go to work, but my first reaction is the direction certain media and political elites are kinda pushing this to feed their agendas/narratives/ideology.
Added graph beginning "Already — even in advance" to add details of the alt-right twitter reaction to Neely's death, including example tweet. Without this it was probably extra-unclear what my pointless essay was even discussing; hopefully better now.
1) He was choked to death. Highly unlikely as the mans elbow was under the chin preventing leverage against the windpipe and carotid arteries. Yes, I have choked a person unconscious so do have actual experience along with book larnin'. By the way, after the person goes unconscious they do not die immediately.
2) He died a sudden vax death. Waiting autopsy
3) he died of other causes like Floyd and a number of other people in poor health, on drugs, fighting with police. Waiting autopsy
The people I knew who were posting about George Floyd back in 2020 don't seem to be up in arms about this one at all-- just twitterati chatter. I really do think the Summer of Love was a lockdown driven phenomena, not a real "racial reckoning". Doesn't mean Portland or Brooklyn won't have some stupidity this riot season, but I doubt it goes national.
As for the broader issue, it will be interesting to see where the missing 1.5 million Tucker Carlson watchers go (and how their social networks evolve). Perhaps they'll drift off or accept the likely more corporate/establishment replacement--or they'll pursue the more radical venues offered by post-Musk Twitter or Rumble, or the the real hard stuff and "get on Gab". Who knows what follows on that.
In terms of the overall crime dynamics. I tend to think the liberal cognitive dissonance has enough headroom to see things truly degrade in blue cities to a point of chaos hard to imagine even now. I just don't see how they escape the "more and more sane people leave/leaving only more and more crazy electorate" death spiral, especially as their finances won't put any real check on it, due the blue state governments in combination with the federal money printing machine. And this new first things article added to my pessimism on the issue https://www.firstthings.com/article/2023/05/spiritual-death-of-the-west.
This is such an interesting and important topic. I started a long reply, but I’m just too worn out tonight. I’m going to really read it thoroughly in the morning. Just thanks for something to think about and discuss besides the jab ☠️ counts.
The only plank the left has is racial division. Everything else is abject failure. Yet somehow they nominated and rigged the election for the actual sponsor of the '94 crime bill. 🤦♂️
Dude had an arms length rap sheet and had a warrant out for recent past assault.
Grew up in Puerto Rico and later Miami (the time of Absence of Malice), saw corruption and the Liberty City riots- my mom was a teacher in Liberty city . It really was The Wire. But my school was 1/3 every color so we were blind. Honestly its sad for the black neighborhoods- this craziness is causing more racism and I am not surprised a Bernard Goetz moment was going to happen.
My 2 cents- the super poor areas suffer the most when 2 things happen 1)high energy prices (causing a lack of jobs for the mostly unskilled) and 2) abundant drugs (open southern border). It was like that during those bad periods of time then too. Also, there’s so little hope in those communities and few go to church or community activities, so there is social degradation.
I’m north of Houston in The Woodlands area. Houston proper has become quite degraded in the past 3 years, but I “saw things” well before its current further descent into the abyss.
Poll, musings on Jordan Neely death
Interesting thread on how the NYT readers are responding. Not what I would have expected... actually, it kind of is what I would have expected, I've just been used to my expectations being wrong so often recently.
https://twitter.com/TruueDiscipline/status/1653949056207704065
I haven't read much about the subway killing. To me.. it was just sad. I didn't participate in the poll because there wasn't a choice of "sad tragic incident". I wish someone had a video of the man's behavior before he was restrained in a chokehold so we could see if that level of restraint was necessary or not. Without it, I can't make a judgment one way or another. These days you never know if someone has a weapon, so that's always a factor as well.
It's my understanding poverty and trauma are the strongest indicators of crime, not race.
Surely the media inflames, hides and outright lies about crime.
I'm curious as to why you capitalize black but not white. Why? Because AP and/or Chicago style codes?
NYC sells itself as progressive but it's the most racist place I have lived. I have heard people loudly ranting with racist remarks on the subway, been yelled at by angry drivers as I crossed the street being called not very nice things, seen coworkers getting racist comments on the street. Weirdest one was being called a "TCBY MFer" two doors down from my apartment as I walked home. I used to feel comfortable photographing protests and generally didn't get any flak from protestors or law enforcement but in 2020 that all changed and the hostility for just using a real camera (and perhaps the color of my skin?) was real and convinced me to stop photographing protests for a variety of reasons, safety being one of them.
Only read this quickly as gotta go to work, but my first reaction is the direction certain media and political elites are kinda pushing this to feed their agendas/narratives/ideology.
Added graph beginning "Already — even in advance" to add details of the alt-right twitter reaction to Neely's death, including example tweet. Without this it was probably extra-unclear what my pointless essay was even discussing; hopefully better now.
1) He was choked to death. Highly unlikely as the mans elbow was under the chin preventing leverage against the windpipe and carotid arteries. Yes, I have choked a person unconscious so do have actual experience along with book larnin'. By the way, after the person goes unconscious they do not die immediately.
2) He died a sudden vax death. Waiting autopsy
3) he died of other causes like Floyd and a number of other people in poor health, on drugs, fighting with police. Waiting autopsy
The people I knew who were posting about George Floyd back in 2020 don't seem to be up in arms about this one at all-- just twitterati chatter. I really do think the Summer of Love was a lockdown driven phenomena, not a real "racial reckoning". Doesn't mean Portland or Brooklyn won't have some stupidity this riot season, but I doubt it goes national.
As for the broader issue, it will be interesting to see where the missing 1.5 million Tucker Carlson watchers go (and how their social networks evolve). Perhaps they'll drift off or accept the likely more corporate/establishment replacement--or they'll pursue the more radical venues offered by post-Musk Twitter or Rumble, or the the real hard stuff and "get on Gab". Who knows what follows on that.
In terms of the overall crime dynamics. I tend to think the liberal cognitive dissonance has enough headroom to see things truly degrade in blue cities to a point of chaos hard to imagine even now. I just don't see how they escape the "more and more sane people leave/leaving only more and more crazy electorate" death spiral, especially as their finances won't put any real check on it, due the blue state governments in combination with the federal money printing machine. And this new first things article added to my pessimism on the issue https://www.firstthings.com/article/2023/05/spiritual-death-of-the-west.
This is such an interesting and important topic. I started a long reply, but I’m just too worn out tonight. I’m going to really read it thoroughly in the morning. Just thanks for something to think about and discuss besides the jab ☠️ counts.
You hang around "non-threatening" crazy long enough and eventually you end up with a threatening enough corkscrew in your guts. seen things.
The only plank the left has is racial division. Everything else is abject failure. Yet somehow they nominated and rigged the election for the actual sponsor of the '94 crime bill. 🤦♂️
Dude had an arms length rap sheet and had a warrant out for recent past assault.
Grew up in Puerto Rico and later Miami (the time of Absence of Malice), saw corruption and the Liberty City riots- my mom was a teacher in Liberty city . It really was The Wire. But my school was 1/3 every color so we were blind. Honestly its sad for the black neighborhoods- this craziness is causing more racism and I am not surprised a Bernard Goetz moment was going to happen.
My 2 cents- the super poor areas suffer the most when 2 things happen 1)high energy prices (causing a lack of jobs for the mostly unskilled) and 2) abundant drugs (open southern border). It was like that during those bad periods of time then too. Also, there’s so little hope in those communities and few go to church or community activities, so there is social degradation.
Lead, you glowie propagandist. Lead. If you cared about crime as more than a rhetorical vehicle for the bigotry grift... Lead.
I’m north of Houston in The Woodlands area. Houston proper has become quite degraded in the past 3 years, but I “saw things” well before its current further descent into the abyss.