I haven't read much about the subway killing. To me.. it was just sad. I didn't participate in the poll because there wasn't a choice of "sad tragic incident". I wish someone had a video of the man's behavior before he was restrained in a chokehold so we could see if that level of restraint was necessary or not. Without it, I can't make a judgment one way or another. These days you never know if someone has a weapon, so that's always a factor as well.
It's my understanding poverty and trauma are the strongest indicators of crime, not race.
Surely the media inflames, hides and outright lies about crime.
It is extremely difficult to subdue humans safely. Every method has a pretty high risk of brain injury or death, which is why even with police training it happens a lot. So it is tragic and sad; and I'm not even passing approval of the restrainers' decisions. I only know that these kind of events are inevitable when subways are so full of sketchy and unsafe behavior. Much of America is basically lawless right now.
I organically approve of the new convention of capitalizing Black as a replacement for the awkward and paternalistic "African American." It looks weird to me in lower case. But there's no set of choices here that will look natural to everyone.
NYC sells itself as progressive but it's the most racist place I have lived. I have heard people loudly ranting with racist remarks on the subway, been yelled at by angry drivers as I crossed the street being called not very nice things, seen coworkers getting racist comments on the street. Weirdest one was being called a "TCBY MFer" two doors down from my apartment as I walked home. I used to feel comfortable photographing protests and generally didn't get any flak from protestors or law enforcement but in 2020 that all changed and the hostility for just using a real camera (and perhaps the color of my skin?) was real and convinced me to stop photographing protests for a variety of reasons, safety being one of them.
Only read this quickly as gotta go to work, but my first reaction is the direction certain media and political elites are kinda pushing this to feed their agendas/narratives/ideology.
Added graph beginning "Already — even in advance" to add details of the alt-right twitter reaction to Neely's death, including example tweet. Without this it was probably extra-unclear what my pointless essay was even discussing; hopefully better now.
1) He was choked to death. Highly unlikely as the mans elbow was under the chin preventing leverage against the windpipe and carotid arteries. Yes, I have choked a person unconscious so do have actual experience along with book larnin'. By the way, after the person goes unconscious they do not die immediately.
2) He died a sudden vax death. Waiting autopsy
3) he died of other causes like Floyd and a number of other people in poor health, on drugs, fighting with police. Waiting autopsy
It's a bit hard for me to tell as far as the hold, but I agree it does look like there shouldn't be compression. Though for a long enough period it might still have been dangerous; the brain needs a lot of blood. Still if there's no bruising in the autopsy then the conclusion reported so far seems spurious.
The only plank the left has is racial division. Everything else is abject failure. Yet somehow they nominated and rigged the election for the actual sponsor of the '94 crime bill. 🤦♂️
Dude had an arms length rap sheet and had a warrant out for recent past assault.
44 prior arrests, and trust me, those cops don’t want to fill out that paperwork, so he walked tons of other times- to actually accrue 44 arrests, he was clearly a huge menace. Apparently, a lot of the charges were assaults with a knife. When people are on drugs, they don’t fear for their life. 13 were killed last year on the NYC subway and there were countless knife assaults.
Grew up in Puerto Rico and later Miami (the time of Absence of Malice), saw corruption and the Liberty City riots- my mom was a teacher in Liberty city . It really was The Wire. But my school was 1/3 every color so we were blind. Honestly its sad for the black neighborhoods- this craziness is causing more racism and I am not surprised a Bernard Goetz moment was going to happen.
My 2 cents- the super poor areas suffer the most when 2 things happen 1)high energy prices (causing a lack of jobs for the mostly unskilled) and 2) abundant drugs (open southern border). It was like that during those bad periods of time then too. Also, there’s so little hope in those communities and few go to church or community activities, so there is social degradation.
Thanks for reminding me of the name, I was going to fit in a mention of the reaction to the Goetz incident and compare to present, but, didn't want to bloat the post.
The weird part about the Trump years is that a lot of backsliding gained steam in California despite the abundance of jobs vs. the Obama / post-2008 years. For the Bay Area I think it was just poor governance. If you don't enforce property rights, but you also flood an area with wealth, you massively incentivize property crime. Targets attract arrows.
California decriminalizes theft below almost $1000 (https://www.hoover.org/research/why-shoplifting-now-de-facto-legal-california), and the Bay Area never followed NYC's footsteps in creating a functioning police force in the 90s, and then cut back what was there even further in the 21st due to budget gaps. There was no re-expansion when San Francisco started collecting tech companies and tourism returned after the recession. So it was just a free-for-all of things to steal and people to crash into, one big Grand Theft Auto simulator. When there were more thieves than cars to break into, the thieves just started driving down to LA.
It's not easy to see how the government could have prevented it, given CA prisons are over-capacity, no one wants more prisons,* rents are too high to afford public servants. One can easily imagine the city's future being privatized and automated policing, Robocop but for real.
*I don't want more prisons, either. I think the US needs to go back to flogging and stocks; they are less barbaric.
Honestly, stop and frisk and the Broken Windows policies were great. Ask any mom of a young male in a city like chicago and they will say they want stop and frisk because it would be the only way to get weapons off the streets and stop the drive by shootings.
"Glowie" means she thinks you're a federal agent trying to entrap people into incriminating statements or unlawful activity. I had to look that one up in the urban dictionary.
I think she's talking about leadership, not metallurgy. She wants you to take a clear position. How can we fight crime, without appearing to justify racist bigotry? Is it still possible that blacks commit more crimes because of cultural factors and the residual effects of generations of slavery, and not because of some inherent genetic deficiency?
I'm not very interested in the genetic aspect of alt-right "racism," but that's because I'm a relativist and pessimistic of the power of "science" to figure out reality. Also, British teeth exist. I mean that's a big problem for the white supremacists that I haven't seen anyone address.
I don't think you can fight crime without some bad appearances. And this is a problem in the body-cam era because society doesn't have a "don't watch the sausage get made" option like in the Giuliani era. But what was done then is the only thing that we know works; you get more police out there so that individual police don't have to constantly look away from things, and suddenly you have law and order everywhere. It should be noted that fighting crime weakly leads to just as many bad appearances in body-cams; most of them just don't go viral.
Black Americans got screwed by deindustrialization and globalization. But so did an equal absolute number, or more, white Americans. It's just that in the latter case there were more families who had onboarded into the middle class and could jump ship into the modern PMC, which is all basically just corporate welfare via hyper-regulation as I see it, i.e. a lot of make-work. But the different trends and cultural patterns regarding crime in poor Black youth vs. poor white youth I think are down to the way violence and delinquency operate as a "class consciousness" factor. Loury and McWhorter have talked about this (not "acting white") as seemingly a confounding negative of school desegregation a few times.
587 785 2727. Debate me instead of textblock bafflegab unmitigated by opponents, you utter bigot. I've dealt with this issue first-hand, and you're a cheap propagandist.
Here I am a day later, still trying to wrap my head around this. "Valerie Keefe" really does exist and she really is a trans feminist activist. I found an article about her from 2017, with a video, where she's complaining about how difficult it is for trans women to get prescriptions for hormones.
So if this is a liberal making a satire of white supremacists, why is it funny to give such good advice?
I’m north of Houston in The Woodlands area. Houston proper has become quite degraded in the past 3 years, but I “saw things” well before its current further descent into the abyss.
Conceivably there's still gain in tethered reactionaries, e.g. spouse of the crazy person who was blind to the previous level of crazy but not the current one. Overall the selection for blindness is a very bad problem. You can save a middle-bad city; a whole-bad city just gets a population equivalent of a junky girl's junky boyfriend.
I haven't read much about the subway killing. To me.. it was just sad. I didn't participate in the poll because there wasn't a choice of "sad tragic incident". I wish someone had a video of the man's behavior before he was restrained in a chokehold so we could see if that level of restraint was necessary or not. Without it, I can't make a judgment one way or another. These days you never know if someone has a weapon, so that's always a factor as well.
It's my understanding poverty and trauma are the strongest indicators of crime, not race.
Surely the media inflames, hides and outright lies about crime.
It is extremely difficult to subdue humans safely. Every method has a pretty high risk of brain injury or death, which is why even with police training it happens a lot. So it is tragic and sad; and I'm not even passing approval of the restrainers' decisions. I only know that these kind of events are inevitable when subways are so full of sketchy and unsafe behavior. Much of America is basically lawless right now.
I'm curious as to why you capitalize black but not white. Why? Because AP and/or Chicago style codes?
I organically approve of the new convention of capitalizing Black as a replacement for the awkward and paternalistic "African American." It looks weird to me in lower case. But there's no set of choices here that will look natural to everyone.
NYC sells itself as progressive but it's the most racist place I have lived. I have heard people loudly ranting with racist remarks on the subway, been yelled at by angry drivers as I crossed the street being called not very nice things, seen coworkers getting racist comments on the street. Weirdest one was being called a "TCBY MFer" two doors down from my apartment as I walked home. I used to feel comfortable photographing protests and generally didn't get any flak from protestors or law enforcement but in 2020 that all changed and the hostility for just using a real camera (and perhaps the color of my skin?) was real and convinced me to stop photographing protests for a variety of reasons, safety being one of them.
Only read this quickly as gotta go to work, but my first reaction is the direction certain media and political elites are kinda pushing this to feed their agendas/narratives/ideology.
Added graph beginning "Already — even in advance" to add details of the alt-right twitter reaction to Neely's death, including example tweet. Without this it was probably extra-unclear what my pointless essay was even discussing; hopefully better now.
1) He was choked to death. Highly unlikely as the mans elbow was under the chin preventing leverage against the windpipe and carotid arteries. Yes, I have choked a person unconscious so do have actual experience along with book larnin'. By the way, after the person goes unconscious they do not die immediately.
2) He died a sudden vax death. Waiting autopsy
3) he died of other causes like Floyd and a number of other people in poor health, on drugs, fighting with police. Waiting autopsy
It's a bit hard for me to tell as far as the hold, but I agree it does look like there shouldn't be compression. Though for a long enough period it might still have been dangerous; the brain needs a lot of blood. Still if there's no bruising in the autopsy then the conclusion reported so far seems spurious.
Yes, the toxicology is crucial, if he was taking fentanyl then that would also affect his respiratory distress.
You hang around "non-threatening" crazy long enough and eventually you end up with a threatening enough corkscrew in your guts. seen things.
Why not take the time to learn which subway corkscrews are a threat first
The only plank the left has is racial division. Everything else is abject failure. Yet somehow they nominated and rigged the election for the actual sponsor of the '94 crime bill. 🤦♂️
Dude had an arms length rap sheet and had a warrant out for recent past assault.
His running mate Camel-Uh was equally gleeful in her prosecution of AA citizens.
44 prior arrests, and trust me, those cops don’t want to fill out that paperwork, so he walked tons of other times- to actually accrue 44 arrests, he was clearly a huge menace. Apparently, a lot of the charges were assaults with a knife. When people are on drugs, they don’t fear for their life. 13 were killed last year on the NYC subway and there were countless knife assaults.
Grew up in Puerto Rico and later Miami (the time of Absence of Malice), saw corruption and the Liberty City riots- my mom was a teacher in Liberty city . It really was The Wire. But my school was 1/3 every color so we were blind. Honestly its sad for the black neighborhoods- this craziness is causing more racism and I am not surprised a Bernard Goetz moment was going to happen.
My 2 cents- the super poor areas suffer the most when 2 things happen 1)high energy prices (causing a lack of jobs for the mostly unskilled) and 2) abundant drugs (open southern border). It was like that during those bad periods of time then too. Also, there’s so little hope in those communities and few go to church or community activities, so there is social degradation.
Thanks for reminding me of the name, I was going to fit in a mention of the reaction to the Goetz incident and compare to present, but, didn't want to bloat the post.
The weird part about the Trump years is that a lot of backsliding gained steam in California despite the abundance of jobs vs. the Obama / post-2008 years. For the Bay Area I think it was just poor governance. If you don't enforce property rights, but you also flood an area with wealth, you massively incentivize property crime. Targets attract arrows.
Weird, I witnessed improvements during the Trump years in the cities I was in. Maybe different policies?
California decriminalizes theft below almost $1000 (https://www.hoover.org/research/why-shoplifting-now-de-facto-legal-california), and the Bay Area never followed NYC's footsteps in creating a functioning police force in the 90s, and then cut back what was there even further in the 21st due to budget gaps. There was no re-expansion when San Francisco started collecting tech companies and tourism returned after the recession. So it was just a free-for-all of things to steal and people to crash into, one big Grand Theft Auto simulator. When there were more thieves than cars to break into, the thieves just started driving down to LA.
It's not easy to see how the government could have prevented it, given CA prisons are over-capacity, no one wants more prisons,* rents are too high to afford public servants. One can easily imagine the city's future being privatized and automated policing, Robocop but for real.
*I don't want more prisons, either. I think the US needs to go back to flogging and stocks; they are less barbaric.
Honestly, stop and frisk and the Broken Windows policies were great. Ask any mom of a young male in a city like chicago and they will say they want stop and frisk because it would be the only way to get weapons off the streets and stop the drive by shootings.
Stop and frisk is allegedly the most racist thing you can do as a police officer on the street.
Lead, you glowie propagandist. Lead. If you cared about crime as more than a rhetorical vehicle for the bigotry grift... Lead.
Lol- what?
Caring about crime is supposed to be a 'racist dog whistle,' or something.
So the dog whistle is made out of lead? Could explain it
Does this make your post a personal best (PB)?
"Glowie" means she thinks you're a federal agent trying to entrap people into incriminating statements or unlawful activity. I had to look that one up in the urban dictionary.
I think she's talking about leadership, not metallurgy. She wants you to take a clear position. How can we fight crime, without appearing to justify racist bigotry? Is it still possible that blacks commit more crimes because of cultural factors and the residual effects of generations of slavery, and not because of some inherent genetic deficiency?
I'm not very interested in the genetic aspect of alt-right "racism," but that's because I'm a relativist and pessimistic of the power of "science" to figure out reality. Also, British teeth exist. I mean that's a big problem for the white supremacists that I haven't seen anyone address.
I don't think you can fight crime without some bad appearances. And this is a problem in the body-cam era because society doesn't have a "don't watch the sausage get made" option like in the Giuliani era. But what was done then is the only thing that we know works; you get more police out there so that individual police don't have to constantly look away from things, and suddenly you have law and order everywhere. It should be noted that fighting crime weakly leads to just as many bad appearances in body-cams; most of them just don't go viral.
Black Americans got screwed by deindustrialization and globalization. But so did an equal absolute number, or more, white Americans. It's just that in the latter case there were more families who had onboarded into the middle class and could jump ship into the modern PMC, which is all basically just corporate welfare via hyper-regulation as I see it, i.e. a lot of make-work. But the different trends and cultural patterns regarding crime in poor Black youth vs. poor white youth I think are down to the way violence and delinquency operate as a "class consciousness" factor. Loury and McWhorter have talked about this (not "acting white") as seemingly a confounding negative of school desegregation a few times.
587 785 2727. Debate me instead of textblock bafflegab unmitigated by opponents, you utter bigot. I've dealt with this issue first-hand, and you're a cheap propagandist.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/california-democrats-push-bill-mandate-gender-diversity-books-schools
Or maybe it's the dog's lead?
Here I am a day later, still trying to wrap my head around this. "Valerie Keefe" really does exist and she really is a trans feminist activist. I found an article about her from 2017, with a video, where she's complaining about how difficult it is for trans women to get prescriptions for hormones.
So if this is a liberal making a satire of white supremacists, why is it funny to give such good advice?
I’m north of Houston in The Woodlands area. Houston proper has become quite degraded in the past 3 years, but I “saw things” well before its current further descent into the abyss.
LEAD.
What is this 'lead' business? Is it a reference to bullets?
Those wondering why the West is collapsing into its own footprint? QED.
it is what happens ...
Read the bio - might help. 😉
First thing I did. Neuronal cheesecake.
Never heard it put that way, but I'm using it! 😄
I think it was the culinary equivalent to "smooth brain".
Ah...
Dat Affinity Fraud.
Conceivably there's still gain in tethered reactionaries, e.g. spouse of the crazy person who was blind to the previous level of crazy but not the current one. Overall the selection for blindness is a very bad problem. You can save a middle-bad city; a whole-bad city just gets a population equivalent of a junky girl's junky boyfriend.