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Jessica Hockett's avatar

Thanks for commenting on my post.

You're willing to make some assumptions I am not willing to make. First, that a newly-named virus suddenly started spreading in early 2020 and was the underlying or contributing cause of death for every person in NYC (and elsewhere) with covid-19 on the death certificate. What you see as evidence that the population of NH residents were sufficiently/wholly infected, I see as evidence that the natural course of a virus didn't cause 20K+ people to die there in 11 weeks.

NH residents aside, NYC has 8 million+ people - including hundreds of thousands that fit the profile of susceptibility to death-by-virus. All-cause mortality dropped to baseline and did not rise appreciably (beyond excess) until late December. That's the biggest tell, IMO, that this whole thing makes zero sense and is not the work of a novel virus. And yes, that extends to the tri-state area https://twitter.com/ProfessorAkston/status/1635771595787751424?s=20 Obviously, the more NH residents that died in spring 2020, the more of a pull-forward effect we'd see. So, it's not so much that "the virus" was done with NYC NH patients, it's that those statistically-scheduled to die later in the year were already dead, thanks to human interventions (which were worse in NYC, thanks for hospital protocols and panic than in the rest of the state).

I'm sure we all remember that the drop-to-baseline was hailed as NYC "defeating the virus". Thus, the book, the Emmy, the accolades for Cuomo.

When people look at NYC's outrageous spring 2020 ACM, they tend to say, "Well, that's because Cuomo sent covid+ patients back to nursing homes and killed everyone." My point in the Substack point is that the raw mortality data (specifically Place of Death) don't support that claim. Worse, we still have no idea who all those people who died in NYC hospitals were - including how many were nursing home residents that don't have covid on the death cert. Where is the de-identified death certificate data? Where is the outcry about the astounding hospital CFR (20% - 75%, depending on facility)?

As you note, there's been no accountability for Murphy or other Governors, who all had similar policies about NHs not rejecting admissions on the basis of covid status. (Policies that, by the way, were aligned with CMD and CDC guidance -- not the brainwork of the Governors.)

Covid+ residents were already in the nursing homes. Coming back from the hospital covid+ wasn't a big deal. Neglect, the decision to send people to hospitals in the first place, and the absence of 3rd- party witnesses (in NHs and hospitals alike) were a recipe for disaster. Didn't even need to excuse of a virus for those things to result in mortality.

Whatever people say about Cuomo covering up the numbers, CDC Wonder Place of Death data was always clear about the number of people who died at the nursing homes. The question was -- and is - how many died in the hospitals. NY is still not disclosing the data, and is still giving people the impression that NH residents and nursing homes themselves comprise the lion's share of excess in those weeks, which is false.

I think the grim truth is that NHs have been scapegoated for the non/maltreatment hospitals were following.

P.S. Here's my gauge of NJ's ratio of NH resident deaths at hospitals versus in nursing homes. County-level would be more revealing. https://twitter.com/EWoodhouse7/status/1629164921031098369?s=20

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Modern Discontent's avatar

I've seen some of these posts around but I never payed any mind to them since it seemed to be stating something already well-known. I recall the whole Cuomo scandal and even talking to someone about the nursing home debacle months before the news came out (I think because people were "praising" Cuomo at the time for being "not Trump"). I recall several outlets picking it up including maybe Jimmy Dore and Breaking Points but then others did as well. I consider it partially political, but it also went as soon as it came.

I think the attention on Cuomo was exacerbated by the other scandals a la #MeToo, and quite frankly many outlets probably latched onto Cuomo because they couldn't bother to look at other states even though other states appeared to have followed this policy (monkey see monkey do I suppose).

So many things in 2020 seemed to have been the wrong thing to do. The question is figuring out whether it was all intentionally nefarious, intended to increase deaths to make the illness seem more severe and direct public discourse, or if plenty of mistakes were made as well. It seems that the narrative is leaning more towards a wholly nefarious/intentional driver, but I lean more towards a mix.

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