how do we know then that the whole donbass reason for russia invading ukraine is a cover for the fact that russia invaded ukraine to uncover and destroy US bioweapons labs scattered all over ukraine and now the US is being forced to fork it all over to keep it quiet. zelensky's handlers know how to operate a shakedown.....
I lean towards it being a lab leak, and that there are a lot more lab leaks than we realise or know of. Like vaxx induced heart damage, it's harder to spot at least initially since respiratory viruses of natural origin are very common. Would be interesting to look at other viruses circulating in 2019 to see if they show signs of lab modification too.
Certainly I believe the Taiwanese and Koreans knew something was afoot quite some time before they made a public statement, perhaps a thorough analysis of the events very early on in the pandemic would shed some light.
"In June 2021, with efforts to learn the truth at a virtual standstill, Burr drafted Dr. Robert Kadlec, the former Health and Human Services assistant secretary for preparedness and response under President Donald Trump, to assemble a team to examine the leading hypotheses. "
Kadlec, US biowarfare incarnate, has looked into it and declares that someone else did it. Super...
If someone believes you're lying all the time, it's super easy to manipulate their attention and scramble their thinking, just selectively /tell the truth/ about something else...
So I think it's good to try and find some deep 'out of band' information here and there, otherwise it could be just bloggers psy-oping themselves just as much as anything.
Good example would be Robert Fisk investigating the alleged chemical attacks in Douma in 2018; unlike all the other journalists he just talked to the people who actually lived in the apartment blocks (not the activists) and they'd never heard about them...
Except that there is no evidence there is such a "November 2019 secret intelligence report". We see people in the media suggest it, but no confirmation. This whole thing is based on the notion it exists.
Also , everything could be called a 'report'. Perhaps there was some paperwork indeed with information about their surveillance of the Wuhan lab. A surveillance that probably was routine and ongoing for years. It was (partly) a Chinese militaire lab after all, so I'm assuming we monitor them just as other powers monitor ours. And yes, it is possible some work from some analysis was shared. OK, and yes, perhaps even it was marked as alarming.
Demaneuf who is at the root of this whole thing, himself even indicates they may have just picked that up from hospital chatter ... and notes that it may have even been a false alarm. But the Harvard report shows there is lots of public information where - at least with hindsight - one could have seen something amiss in Wuhan, even if that data would actually be a wrong interpretation acording to one of the articles you quote.
But either way how is that proof the US intentionally leaked it? There seem to be lots of stuff missing here? I think your and their wish it to be so, is the father of the believe here ...
BTW if such a 'report' exists, itis more a proof how bad intelligence failed to bubble it up to the relevant levels. After all nobody acted on it.
That later the actual relevant levels as you indicate had decided it was the wet market, despite clear indications this was lab made (regardless by whom)., was just politics. And once embedded in the infamous Red vs Blue team-doctrine, the rest is history. I see no real mysteries there. Just as the Hunter laptop was a clear Russian disinformation campaign, and the Russians hacked the DNC. Etc,. Intelligence = Politics, and hence often bullsh#t.
And then the whole motivation, from economic attack on China or global lock-downs seem like a very bad movie script.
The only thing going for it would be that it would prove the existence of the deep state. After all, if such a thing could be concocted and executed without the upper parts of government knowing (unless you believe Orange Man Bad knew/ordered it or so) that would be the definite proof ...
No serious, this is ridiculous, unless of course you bring evidence to the table.
The ABC report is evidence. News got phone calls. Ok, where are the phone calls, who were the callers? Why does that matter, you could nihilistically dismiss that as evidence as well. Well then where is an image of the report. Why does that matter, it could be faked. Well were is a time-stamped printed copy? What, that can't be faked? Evidence can always be dismissed. So dismissing evidence doesn't make it not evidence.
Regarding my wishes, for me the binary here, once I had gotten pretty familiar with the evidence trail for WIV's work, was not even lab leak vs US gov. It was lone agent vs US gov. https://unglossed.substack.com/p/refining-the-deep-state-origin-case - WIV *was not working on the NW Laos viruses* that are related to SARS-CoV-2 and did not use the clean, orderly restriction site map that SARS-CoV-2 has. The virus does not read WIV. This has been the case all along, both the zoonati and lab leak narratives have had strong negative arguments and pathetic positive arguments.
And "lone agent" isn't some big upsetting notion to me. It's just that the evidence for US release is abundant.
I think Peter has given smart push-back to a lot of posts, but I have like three different Pete/r commenters (or more if there are multiple first-name-only "Peter"s) who contribute comments so it's hard to follow.
Well, you and Jones have no way of knowing whether you and he are right or close to right but I think you're probably within touching distance of the truth and that might make some a little nervous. Can't have the sheep thinking for themselves.
Very interesting! During origin conversations, I always try to keep in mind what JJ Couey has concluded. No matter where it came from, a coronavirus could not have naturally caused a pandemic because it is too genetically unstable. Infectious clones were probably released in many areas around the world. Lab leak or natural, both narratives can be used to raise fear in populations and used for control.
I do still lean toward skepticism that the virus would be well-adapted enough to spread and stay around without "a little help." Just as a default, because there isn't any precedent to go on as I established in SVAH 1 to 3. But BA.2 and BA.5 have bucked the previous trend and they seem to be naturally self-sustaining.
Remember the innumerable clues that Malone has been given us all the time, everywhere.
I remember a podcast he made with Steve Kirsh on december 2021, the omicron tale was hot. He was insisting that it was "a miracle" the apparition of a variant more contagious but less deadly, it was as if "someone had created it and released it."
Switch on, switch off?
I think it's all a lie.
There are no viruses, natural or synthetic.
But it is funny nontheless, from a Plutonian point of view.
Thanks! Very annoying that it took me a month to see his series in the first place. I need to rework my feeds now that uncensored twitter is sucking the oxygen away from substack, clearly.
Yes - note recent twitter chatterings on 'for you' vs 'following' - suggest selecting the latter (and checking it doesn't switch back) and then putting key follows (such as Daily Sceptic) on alerts for all tweets.
Hmm - in that case check your email subscription to DS? Might be going into spam. They send email early morning with summary & links to all of previous day's articles... it means I am 24 hours out of date from publication, but at least get them in email form and have searchable record in my email inbox with links to website.
I think where we get tangled up looking at COVID origins is with the idea that this use of bioweapons is something extraordinary. I suspect that much of it is very ordinary.
For at least 20 years NIH has been building bioweapons for the DOD. Fauci has been receiving a stipend from DOD for that long to oversee the NIH part of it.
People like Ralph Baric and Bourla and Bancel have been contractors in this project and untouchable because they are protected by the Dark Side of the Pentagon. But none of these people are what you would call high level conspirators. They are suppliers and mostly in the dark about the uses of the weapons that they supply.
They have not been building Extinction Level plagues, at least not mostly. People like Kadlec and John Bolton didnt want another nuclear stockpile to sit on. They wanted weapons that they could use. They have been building bioweapons to extend US 'soft power'. Particular places have had an extra nasty flu season allowing a US competitor to get the jump on them, key targets, key groups have gotten sick at just the right time to push a particular US objective over the top. The Russians think that they can prove that these weapons have been used on them. I hope that they can and will. China was in some way a partner in this deal. They did some of the riskier parts of the work and got some of the reward, I won't pretend to know the details of how that worked. But I think that that explains the Chinese overreaction to COVID. They knew that it was a bioweapon and they had the fear that a junior partner in a nefarious scheme always has. They knew how nasty, how subtle some of these weapons could be and determined on Zero COVID as a necessary precaution against some of the possibilities that they knew about. It should be pointed out that we do not know if the virus thst we know as Covid is the same as what was released in China and Iran. The release of the 'weapon' may have neen covered up by the release of a more virulent and less lethal cousin.(Post break)
(Continued) The pandemic was different in kind and scale from previous bioweapon uses. I suspect that it was intended to be more lethal, lethal enough that the problems with the vaccines would seem minor and even the skeptics here would see the US government as saviors. If the virus was 10 times more lethal even Sage Hana would be forgiving of Pfizers Pflaws. But the Jab was the purpose of the exercise. That's why early treatment had to be suppressed. The early videos and reports on Covid lethality were prepared before the less lethal nature of the virus was known. That's why they seemed jarring and incongruous. There are very few actual Cabal members but a lot of bureaucrats who depend on Cabal guidance to do their job, which is why the uniform and uniformly bad response went the way that it did. The chance for the Great Reset was seized, but like so much about the Cabal the virus was impotent, the Star of the Show couldn't perform. Covid couldn't distract from the tyranny long enough for it to be cemented, couldn't hide the injections flaws. So now we have a Cabal trying to reset for Great Reset 2.0. They will still try and make that 2030 deadline though, such a boat is not easily turned even when the crew finally admits that they have hit an iceberg, an iceberg made of their own incompetence and sharpened into weapons against them by the intellect and heart of the people here. So I say, KEEP Sharpening. The Enemy is wounded but not dead. Tyranny's Next Level is rolling out, are you Bad enough Dudes to stop it?
Not that long ago I would think that this must have been written by a madman. While I have a different theory, I can no longer dismiss yours as outlandish. I can not even say that I do not believe it is possible. We have seen stranger in recent years.
Thanks for the thought provoking article. Your last 4 "Why?" questions are key. To this I might add,
5. Why would releasing a virus that is hardly worse than a normal flu season be on anyone's agenda?
6. Why would anyone expect that a virus with an IFR of 0.1% should cause any blowback?
7. Why would anyone think that covid, a minor coronavirus, would harm China?
8. Why would anyone think that locking down the USA was part of the agenda, as lockdown could not possibly help the USA economically?
9. Why do studies find SARS-CoV-2 antibodies present before Oct 2019?
10. Why did China only lockdown Wuhan?
11. Why did anyone believe that locking down Wuhan accomplished anything?
12. Why did the MSM so quickly and enthusiastically exaggerate covid by nearly 100 fold?
13. Why did the MSM embrace masks and lockdowns?
14. Why did so many of us know early on that the vaccine rollout was the main agenda? (The so called conspiracy theorists correctly predicted vaccine mandates)
15. Why did Gates direct the MSM to promote lockdowns and vaccines and boosters? Did Gates invent SARS-CoV-2, or pay to have it invented and released?
16. Why the push and promotion of the inaccurate PCR tests?
17. Who told the WHO to declare a pandemic when there was none?
18. Why would a plandemic choose a coronavirus, since it was well known that it is next to impossible to create a vaccine for this type of virus?
I'm still of the opinion that there are too many questions and not enough answers for anyone other than the perpetrators to know for sure what happened. And I'm still persuaded that whatever the initial plan, several key stakeholders jumped in on the bandwagon for profits. And I still think it ended up going far beyond the initial game plan because so many people in the general public believed the narrative, became terrified, and clamored for more restrictions.
Thoroughly enjoyed reading this post as well as the comments. I've been following the latest Pseudomonas surprise sequence data story very closely and (since we've been here before) started wondering what had happened immediately prior to the supposed discovery of a SARS-COV-2 spike in a Beijing biosecurity lab's bacteria analysis of samples taken from patients in 2019 to warrant such an extravagant push to refocus on China. The Will Jones article might just fit the bill.
Brian, you are overthinking too many things. This virus was accidentally released from one of the Wuhan virology labs. This is a simple, elegant and logically consistent explanation of everything that happened. Your explanation requires loads of planning, way too many US government people in the know, a giant conspiracy, all of which may be possible but it is still highly unlikely....
1 DEFUSE is insultingly stupid. “Let’s try to make a self spreading bat vaccine virus to immunize bats against a bat virus, to protect our soldiers in case they need to go back to Nam or something”? It wasn’t real. It was just money on paper.
2 WIV sourced from SW China. SARS-CoV-2 is genetically unrelated. Was sourced from NW Laos.
3 Crimson whatever, Kadlec’s wargames, what, he knew WIV was about to make an oopsie?
etc
To elaborate on 2, it’s like if there was a gas spill one block away from a gas station. And then you could say, “Case closed, it was the gas station.” Except you can chemically test the gas, and it isn’t the right brand. So that’s what SARS-CoV-2 is, genetically, it’s not a WIV product. Came from a different lab.
Number 2 above: didn't Baric/Daszak have Bat Lady send grunts to caves a thousand (or more) miles from WIV, to wipe bat butts and bring the souvenirs back to WIV?
I'm forgetting stuff now, have read so many conflicting accounts over the past three years. But I thought that might explain where the initial release came from.
I am not sure what you mean by his virus. SARS-CoV-2 doesn't match Baric's published work in any specific way, either. But what's curious is that his team very quickly published a mouse-ified infectious clone aka DNA<>virus construct of SARS-CoV-2 without indicating clearly what they used for restriction sites. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8034761/ They didn't seem to add any, though I should double-check for silent changes. So just taking the published sequence they produced a clone construct, consistent with their having already worked with one (unpublished, obviously) beforehand.
It was a genetic 'viron' fragement in a plasmid wot did it. Either way, intent or no, stoking up the bad-boy virus route is just more of a circle-jerk kabuki play by IC/Pharma game-boys fucking everyone over. Again.
The DEFUSE project as well as Ralph Baric are US based. Wherever the virus came out of, it was likely designed by Ralph.
Yes the outbreak began in Wuhan, possibly during the military games in October. Who released the virus in Wuhan, is not known.
Yes there was event 201, also in October, involving USA, China CDC, Avril Haines from the intelligence community, WEF and BMGF.
What exactly transpired, we do not yet know and, in my opinion, you also do not know.
We also do not know who exactly, out of Event 201 parties mentioned above, agreed to the virus being released.
Trying to interpret multiple levels of dishonest messaging is a valid pursuit, but it has limitations.
The lockstep promotion of "Covid vaccines" to people who never needed them, was a premeditated crime committed for a yet unknown motive (we can make guesses)
What I can't figure out is why Ralph Baric doesn't run into a microphone stuck in his face every time he's in public. If not daily then at least occasionally. Beyond reports of him receiving new grants for viral therapy and an award from his university, I haven't see anything.
Limitations, sure. But "GOF lab leak" has been since mid-2021 like a softball-bat hitting the face over and over, albeit with dulcet tones. I call foul.
Brian, I loved your article and I am glad you are looking into this. Many past mysteries have not been resolved satisfactorily and I hope this one will be. The US was for sure involved. Who else was? What did Bill or Klaus know? etc
The Russians always said US released the virus at Wuhan military games. I do not personally see the absolute proof of that but it could be.
Why did "they" release Sars-Cov-2? lots of mysteries
Based on what I've heard some theories are: to accelerate the financial decoupling of the economies, to cripple China, a backstop to a failing banking/financial monetary system (some use the repo market chaos last year that the Fed had to bail out as evidence ), laying the foundation to the next monetary global economic system....I don't know. Too big a question for little me. Whatever it is, my guess, it is something big enough to "make it worth it" for these people.
I believe it is a much larger puzzle of which covid and the collapsing financial system are just pieces of. The financial collapse is, IMHO, a part of the plan. What better way to get the most people to accept CBDCs? The food shortages are another piece. What better way to get people to accept food containing insects? Already approved in Europe.
"They" didn't release anything. The Batlady and her US sponsors fooled around with their collection of bat coronaviruses and some idiot PhD student or Postdoc got himself infected and spread that newly made pathogen into Wuhan. Simple, logical and straightforward explanation of everything.
Occam's razor, my friends. The simplest explanation is often the correct one. Why on earth would the CIA or Ralph Baric, the Chinese or whoever release a flu like virus on purpose? Everyone got screwed over in some form, I see no winners emerging.
Bill Gates invested in BioNtech in 2019 to develop HIV and Tuberculosis mRNA vaccines. He likely used his influence to get them to design the Covid vaccine.
I do not believe that Bill Gates had anything to do with the virus release.
No winners? Look at how whole populations of “freedom loving” citizens of “democracies” were subjugated into lockdowns, job loss, education loss, vaccine passports, useless testing and injection with an incompletely tested “vaccine” not to mention the complete lose of self determination. Whoever is behind this has gained a lot of control and are close to complete control. In my opinion, Covid is not the main event. It was a vehicle to get the greatest number of people to surrender their rights. It also had the effect of making it easier for them to find those who will comply and deal with us.
Yes it is so “blindingly obvious” but most seem to be merely blinded by it and oblivious to it. Many are even worse, seem to welcome the convenience of the controls.
I disagree. Governments in the west have achieved precisely nothing besides a loss of trust in formerly respected institutions. This stupid "pandemic" was not planned, it was simply worldwide idiocy.
The pandemic may not have been planned, but the response certainly was. Not even during WW2 did allies act so uniformly, nor even agencies within a single government. How is it that they all adopted the same measures to fight it, differing only in the degree or length of time? How is it that they all simply forgot all that was previously known about pandemic control and adopted the exact same actions known to have the bad results we now have?
Wow, Brian Mowrey conspiracy level 5 unlocked :) Ok, I’m trying to figure out where they would have seeded the virus - so far we have 1)China, 2)Iran and 3)Italy. China and Iran make perfect sense- I also like this idea that China thinks they are complicit- maybe they used an angle about it helping to shut down the protests that were going on with HK during that time and then the US screwed them over (as they tend to do). But I’m trying to think politically what was going on in Italy that would lead them to want to seed there?
Your theory can also segue with Ethical Skeptics theory if they first tested an earlier version of the virus in a BSL lab and a surrounding leak in another asian country- leading to partial immunity for some locations at first (didn’t Japan, for instance, seem to avoid Alpha and Delta very well and then got hammered by Omicron? Prior partial immunity?) Arkmedic’s article also clearly demonstrated how the US has no issue testing things on people in far away islands...
I think that people in some of the 3 letter agencies are obsessed with regime change- it seems to be almost farcical at this point- how many decades they have tried this and always getting more and more extreme.
I had earlier posted on Eugyppius that I wish someone with know how could track all viral outbreaks in the last 10-15 years (like H1N1, extreme flu seasons, etc)and then see if they can coordinate it to accidental or purposeful lab leaks from nearby. Eugyppius had posted an article about a possible ebola lab leak from 2014 that warranted further analysis.
I also want to add that maybe Omicron was released when they realized that their Alpha release didn’t go as planned and the response wasn’t as originally planned either- China and Iran didn’t change regimes but they were successful in getting out Trump so then plan B to try and weaken the severity of the virus?
I know nobody wants to hear about Oswald, but that was a completely other story, and imprinted us for discarding lone nut theories out of hand. It might just as well have been a single gifted actor who had some insights into the bioweapon programs, access to one of the laboratories (in addition to his own lab in his kitchen), and maybe a good knowledge of the players in the field. Might have been dreaming this up since childhood, and went with the first opportunity. Or seen what’s going on and decided to take proactive steps. Later released omicron to fuck with the vaccine industry, and then monkeypox to send bill another message that he can shove his bioterrorism defense plans down the ass just like any antivirus program for windows 98. Maybe he had just seen some of the biowarfare plans and afterwards decided to do an early release to thwart the plans of the conspirators. All the reactions from Fauci to Netanyahu to Bourla, Trump, Gates, Jinping, etc felt to me like they all have been taken a little, but not completely, by surprise. Stumbling, unprepared. One or two year earlier than planned, and that’s why nothing is really working out for them. The bioengineering involved to pull this off doesn’t require a conspiracy or government involvement, given the available tools and ongoing projects. Any above–average nerd who has dedicated his life and work to this kind of stuff could have pulled this off as described. Conservatives probably don‘t want to hear this, but this nerd might have been a lady.
This seems to be not only a plausible scenario, it also gives hope that we have a much bigger chance to win against the totalitarians and control freaks. Chaos will prevail, and nature is always open to evolve into the manifestations of the will of the gods.
Such an origin would be odd for targeting Wuhan. Whereas Wuhan is perfect if your goal is to frame WIV. Why would a troll need to do that? Also odd for watermarking a Moderna sequence. How would a troll know Moderna would become such a player in the new order? Omicron, yes, totally possible that was a lone actor either in congruence or separately from the original release.
As a kid, a very long time ago, I was somehow entrenched in the then active VX scene of the early days of the internet.
We knew the landscape of the anti-virus industry. Which product uses which techniques, etc. We studied them, we shared our knowledge, we challenged each other.
I guess it’s really not that difficult for a long-time professional bioengineering/biowar insider to know quite a lot about the vaccine and biodefense industry. Promising tech stacks (like mRNA), promising startups, etc. distribution of grants and funding, the Who is Who. They would at a minimum read the published papers, and - immersed in the field - would have a lot more anchor points for educated guesses than any of us outsiders could possibly imagine.
Although I was never completely certain whether one of us actually did do a release back in the days (probably…), it would just have felt ludicrous and just patronizing if outsider started doing wild speculations about our potential individual motifs.
I suppose. Unfair of me to add but I should have listed in the previous reply, the November 2019 intelligence brief remains a big problem for the lone actor theory. Unless the lone actor is capable of truly puppet-mastering the deep state, in which case what's the difference from a deep state origin. It's just a blob that random people figure out how to pilot around by pulling levers.
Isn‘t all you need to get your work mentioned at an intelligence briefing to trigger one of their surveillance sensors, either intentionally or unintentionally? If there is a deep-state led biowarfare going on, then certainly there must be an extensive (secret?) surveillance infrastructure for novel pathogens in place already, or we are dealing with the utmost idiotic morons all the way up the chain.
I am still thinking it plausible that a SARS like pandemic might have been planned, together with plans for vaccine passports, population control (not necessarily depopulation, but having a system in place that leaves this option open might as well have been an aim), etc; but just not a 2019 release. The rest of the infrastructure was simply not ready yet, planned release date was maybe in 2021. Someone got hold of those plans, and did an early release with his own virus (still SARS-like). Then timed omicron release, prepared with the knowledge about single-epitome vaccines, with the worldwide start of implementing the mandates. As a result we are where we are now: the original plans turned out impossible to implement with the pressure of the altered timeline, retreat, people and countries are slowly waking up, internal power conflicts between various cabals and families creating a power vacuum. And as a result, now the world threatens to tumble back into a multipolar world.
This creates a window of opportunity now for the global immune system to establish effective defenses against modern forms of totalitarianism, against corrupted regulatory institutions, the propaganda apparatus, and maybe a dismantling or at least weakening of the military-pharmacological-industrial complex, and the start of a new Enlightenment.
No single gifted actor could have organized the coincident suppression of early treatments. France removed HCQ from OTC in late 2019, BEFORE the pandemic was public. Somebody put the Surgisphere cut out boys up to their hijinks with the Lancet paper. Somebody figured out how to control pharmacists in a way that had never been done before, making them feel entitled to questions doctor's prescriptions for known safe meds.
One guy in a lab maybe could have released the virus... but NO WAY did one guy in a lab pull off the operation. We have to look at the big picture.
So the single, gifted actor theory only applies to Omicron and forward? Not sure if I am interpreting your intended meaning or not. We are on the same team.
Intendend release date of similar pathogen might have been in 2021, single actor released prior in 2019. That also vibes much better with the ehealth infrastructure plans and timelines throughout Europe that I have been involved with, including installation plans for government backdoors, etc.
Was it not for omicron, we would be blessed now with vacccine passports and strict mandates, as planned for years. The reversal didn‘t seem neither planned, nor caused by the protests. Strategic retreat due to the message encoded with omicron.
And since the release of monkeypox, bill got really quiet on the topic.
White hats love corporations, order, authority, and control. My educated guess as a security professional is that it contains the fingerprint of a true black hat, with a phrack and hacker‘s manifesto mindset.
Or it could’ve been released by morons. The CDC here in ATL has lost track of Smallpox and Anthrax (and a few others from what former CDC employees whisper about). It seems plausible that some arrogant moron took a sample and disposed of it improperly.
Monkeypox was definitely a timed release. Phylogenetic tree of omicron, combined with reactions by the industry makes me bet on intentional release too regarding this bug. I am open for natural evolution, but the evidence does not point in this direction AFAIS.
how do we know then that the whole donbass reason for russia invading ukraine is a cover for the fact that russia invaded ukraine to uncover and destroy US bioweapons labs scattered all over ukraine and now the US is being forced to fork it all over to keep it quiet. zelensky's handlers know how to operate a shakedown.....
I lean towards it being a lab leak, and that there are a lot more lab leaks than we realise or know of. Like vaxx induced heart damage, it's harder to spot at least initially since respiratory viruses of natural origin are very common. Would be interesting to look at other viruses circulating in 2019 to see if they show signs of lab modification too.
Certainly I believe the Taiwanese and Koreans knew something was afoot quite some time before they made a public statement, perhaps a thorough analysis of the events very early on in the pandemic would shed some light.
It's not 5D chess, it's open self-investigation.
"In June 2021, with efforts to learn the truth at a virtual standstill, Burr drafted Dr. Robert Kadlec, the former Health and Human Services assistant secretary for preparedness and response under President Donald Trump, to assemble a team to examine the leading hypotheses. "
Kadlec, US biowarfare incarnate, has looked into it and declares that someone else did it. Super...
If someone believes you're lying all the time, it's super easy to manipulate their attention and scramble their thinking, just selectively /tell the truth/ about something else...
So I think it's good to try and find some deep 'out of band' information here and there, otherwise it could be just bloggers psy-oping themselves just as much as anything.
Good example would be Robert Fisk investigating the alleged chemical attacks in Douma in 2018; unlike all the other journalists he just talked to the people who actually lived in the apartment blocks (not the activists) and they'd never heard about them...
Except that there is no evidence there is such a "November 2019 secret intelligence report". We see people in the media suggest it, but no confirmation. This whole thing is based on the notion it exists.
Also , everything could be called a 'report'. Perhaps there was some paperwork indeed with information about their surveillance of the Wuhan lab. A surveillance that probably was routine and ongoing for years. It was (partly) a Chinese militaire lab after all, so I'm assuming we monitor them just as other powers monitor ours. And yes, it is possible some work from some analysis was shared. OK, and yes, perhaps even it was marked as alarming.
Demaneuf who is at the root of this whole thing, himself even indicates they may have just picked that up from hospital chatter ... and notes that it may have even been a false alarm. But the Harvard report shows there is lots of public information where - at least with hindsight - one could have seen something amiss in Wuhan, even if that data would actually be a wrong interpretation acording to one of the articles you quote.
But either way how is that proof the US intentionally leaked it? There seem to be lots of stuff missing here? I think your and their wish it to be so, is the father of the believe here ...
BTW if such a 'report' exists, itis more a proof how bad intelligence failed to bubble it up to the relevant levels. After all nobody acted on it.
That later the actual relevant levels as you indicate had decided it was the wet market, despite clear indications this was lab made (regardless by whom)., was just politics. And once embedded in the infamous Red vs Blue team-doctrine, the rest is history. I see no real mysteries there. Just as the Hunter laptop was a clear Russian disinformation campaign, and the Russians hacked the DNC. Etc,. Intelligence = Politics, and hence often bullsh#t.
And then the whole motivation, from economic attack on China or global lock-downs seem like a very bad movie script.
The only thing going for it would be that it would prove the existence of the deep state. After all, if such a thing could be concocted and executed without the upper parts of government knowing (unless you believe Orange Man Bad knew/ordered it or so) that would be the definite proof ...
No serious, this is ridiculous, unless of course you bring evidence to the table.
The ABC report is evidence. News got phone calls. Ok, where are the phone calls, who were the callers? Why does that matter, you could nihilistically dismiss that as evidence as well. Well then where is an image of the report. Why does that matter, it could be faked. Well were is a time-stamped printed copy? What, that can't be faked? Evidence can always be dismissed. So dismissing evidence doesn't make it not evidence.
Regarding my wishes, for me the binary here, once I had gotten pretty familiar with the evidence trail for WIV's work, was not even lab leak vs US gov. It was lone agent vs US gov. https://unglossed.substack.com/p/refining-the-deep-state-origin-case - WIV *was not working on the NW Laos viruses* that are related to SARS-CoV-2 and did not use the clean, orderly restriction site map that SARS-CoV-2 has. The virus does not read WIV. This has been the case all along, both the zoonati and lab leak narratives have had strong negative arguments and pathetic positive arguments.
And "lone agent" isn't some big upsetting notion to me. It's just that the evidence for US release is abundant.
I've been reading here since nearly the first post. Is it my imagination or do certain posts (this one) bring out new commenters? 😉😎
I think Peter has given smart push-back to a lot of posts, but I have like three different Pete/r commenters (or more if there are multiple first-name-only "Peter"s) who contribute comments so it's hard to follow.
Well, you and Jones have no way of knowing whether you and he are right or close to right but I think you're probably within touching distance of the truth and that might make some a little nervous. Can't have the sheep thinking for themselves.
Very interesting! During origin conversations, I always try to keep in mind what JJ Couey has concluded. No matter where it came from, a coronavirus could not have naturally caused a pandemic because it is too genetically unstable. Infectious clones were probably released in many areas around the world. Lab leak or natural, both narratives can be used to raise fear in populations and used for control.
I do still lean toward skepticism that the virus would be well-adapted enough to spread and stay around without "a little help." Just as a default, because there isn't any precedent to go on as I established in SVAH 1 to 3. But BA.2 and BA.5 have bucked the previous trend and they seem to be naturally self-sustaining.
Remember the innumerable clues that Malone has been given us all the time, everywhere.
I remember a podcast he made with Steve Kirsh on december 2021, the omicron tale was hot. He was insisting that it was "a miracle" the apparition of a variant more contagious but less deadly, it was as if "someone had created it and released it."
Switch on, switch off?
I think it's all a lie.
There are no viruses, natural or synthetic.
But it is funny nontheless, from a Plutonian point of view.
Plutonium will always be a planet in my book.
I'll die on that hill!
Agent Callahan to Doctor Malone: "Bob, you need to get your team all spun up."
Note also Will Jones' Daily Sceptic post as of this morning: https://dailysceptic.org/2023/01/25/why-the-lab-leak-theory-is-almost-certainly-false/.
Thanks! Very annoying that it took me a month to see his series in the first place. I need to rework my feeds now that uncensored twitter is sucking the oxygen away from substack, clearly.
Yes - note recent twitter chatterings on 'for you' vs 'following' - suggest selecting the latter (and checking it doesn't switch back) and then putting key follows (such as Daily Sceptic) on alerts for all tweets.
I don't want to use twitter for my information feed, or at all, is the problem
Hmm - in that case check your email subscription to DS? Might be going into spam. They send email early morning with summary & links to all of previous day's articles... it means I am 24 hours out of date from publication, but at least get them in email form and have searchable record in my email inbox with links to website.
Yeah, I have subscribed now.
I think where we get tangled up looking at COVID origins is with the idea that this use of bioweapons is something extraordinary. I suspect that much of it is very ordinary.
For at least 20 years NIH has been building bioweapons for the DOD. Fauci has been receiving a stipend from DOD for that long to oversee the NIH part of it.
People like Ralph Baric and Bourla and Bancel have been contractors in this project and untouchable because they are protected by the Dark Side of the Pentagon. But none of these people are what you would call high level conspirators. They are suppliers and mostly in the dark about the uses of the weapons that they supply.
They have not been building Extinction Level plagues, at least not mostly. People like Kadlec and John Bolton didnt want another nuclear stockpile to sit on. They wanted weapons that they could use. They have been building bioweapons to extend US 'soft power'. Particular places have had an extra nasty flu season allowing a US competitor to get the jump on them, key targets, key groups have gotten sick at just the right time to push a particular US objective over the top. The Russians think that they can prove that these weapons have been used on them. I hope that they can and will. China was in some way a partner in this deal. They did some of the riskier parts of the work and got some of the reward, I won't pretend to know the details of how that worked. But I think that that explains the Chinese overreaction to COVID. They knew that it was a bioweapon and they had the fear that a junior partner in a nefarious scheme always has. They knew how nasty, how subtle some of these weapons could be and determined on Zero COVID as a necessary precaution against some of the possibilities that they knew about. It should be pointed out that we do not know if the virus thst we know as Covid is the same as what was released in China and Iran. The release of the 'weapon' may have neen covered up by the release of a more virulent and less lethal cousin.(Post break)
(Continued) The pandemic was different in kind and scale from previous bioweapon uses. I suspect that it was intended to be more lethal, lethal enough that the problems with the vaccines would seem minor and even the skeptics here would see the US government as saviors. If the virus was 10 times more lethal even Sage Hana would be forgiving of Pfizers Pflaws. But the Jab was the purpose of the exercise. That's why early treatment had to be suppressed. The early videos and reports on Covid lethality were prepared before the less lethal nature of the virus was known. That's why they seemed jarring and incongruous. There are very few actual Cabal members but a lot of bureaucrats who depend on Cabal guidance to do their job, which is why the uniform and uniformly bad response went the way that it did. The chance for the Great Reset was seized, but like so much about the Cabal the virus was impotent, the Star of the Show couldn't perform. Covid couldn't distract from the tyranny long enough for it to be cemented, couldn't hide the injections flaws. So now we have a Cabal trying to reset for Great Reset 2.0. They will still try and make that 2030 deadline though, such a boat is not easily turned even when the crew finally admits that they have hit an iceberg, an iceberg made of their own incompetence and sharpened into weapons against them by the intellect and heart of the people here. So I say, KEEP Sharpening. The Enemy is wounded but not dead. Tyranny's Next Level is rolling out, are you Bad enough Dudes to stop it?
Not that long ago I would think that this must have been written by a madman. While I have a different theory, I can no longer dismiss yours as outlandish. I can not even say that I do not believe it is possible. We have seen stranger in recent years.
Thanks for the thought provoking article. Your last 4 "Why?" questions are key. To this I might add,
5. Why would releasing a virus that is hardly worse than a normal flu season be on anyone's agenda?
6. Why would anyone expect that a virus with an IFR of 0.1% should cause any blowback?
7. Why would anyone think that covid, a minor coronavirus, would harm China?
8. Why would anyone think that locking down the USA was part of the agenda, as lockdown could not possibly help the USA economically?
9. Why do studies find SARS-CoV-2 antibodies present before Oct 2019?
10. Why did China only lockdown Wuhan?
11. Why did anyone believe that locking down Wuhan accomplished anything?
12. Why did the MSM so quickly and enthusiastically exaggerate covid by nearly 100 fold?
13. Why did the MSM embrace masks and lockdowns?
14. Why did so many of us know early on that the vaccine rollout was the main agenda? (The so called conspiracy theorists correctly predicted vaccine mandates)
15. Why did Gates direct the MSM to promote lockdowns and vaccines and boosters? Did Gates invent SARS-CoV-2, or pay to have it invented and released?
16. Why the push and promotion of the inaccurate PCR tests?
17. Who told the WHO to declare a pandemic when there was none?
18. Why would a plandemic choose a coronavirus, since it was well known that it is next to impossible to create a vaccine for this type of virus?
I'm still of the opinion that there are too many questions and not enough answers for anyone other than the perpetrators to know for sure what happened. And I'm still persuaded that whatever the initial plan, several key stakeholders jumped in on the bandwagon for profits. And I still think it ended up going far beyond the initial game plan because so many people in the general public believed the narrative, became terrified, and clamored for more restrictions.
I think you sum it up pretty well.
Thoroughly enjoyed reading this post as well as the comments. I've been following the latest Pseudomonas surprise sequence data story very closely and (since we've been here before) started wondering what had happened immediately prior to the supposed discovery of a SARS-COV-2 spike in a Beijing biosecurity lab's bacteria analysis of samples taken from patients in 2019 to warrant such an extravagant push to refocus on China. The Will Jones article might just fit the bill.
Brian, you are overthinking too many things. This virus was accidentally released from one of the Wuhan virology labs. This is a simple, elegant and logically consistent explanation of everything that happened. Your explanation requires loads of planning, way too many US government people in the know, a giant conspiracy, all of which may be possible but it is still highly unlikely....
1 DEFUSE is insultingly stupid. “Let’s try to make a self spreading bat vaccine virus to immunize bats against a bat virus, to protect our soldiers in case they need to go back to Nam or something”? It wasn’t real. It was just money on paper.
2 WIV sourced from SW China. SARS-CoV-2 is genetically unrelated. Was sourced from NW Laos.
3 Crimson whatever, Kadlec’s wargames, what, he knew WIV was about to make an oopsie?
etc
To elaborate on 2, it’s like if there was a gas spill one block away from a gas station. And then you could say, “Case closed, it was the gas station.” Except you can chemically test the gas, and it isn’t the right brand. So that’s what SARS-CoV-2 is, genetically, it’s not a WIV product. Came from a different lab.
Number 2 above: didn't Baric/Daszak have Bat Lady send grunts to caves a thousand (or more) miles from WIV, to wipe bat butts and bring the souvenirs back to WIV?
I'm forgetting stuff now, have read so many conflicting accounts over the past three years. But I thought that might explain where the initial release came from.
Baric cooperated with the WIV. Why would they not have a sample of his virus? It is common practice among scientists to exchange reagents.
I am not sure what you mean by his virus. SARS-CoV-2 doesn't match Baric's published work in any specific way, either. But what's curious is that his team very quickly published a mouse-ified infectious clone aka DNA<>virus construct of SARS-CoV-2 without indicating clearly what they used for restriction sites. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8034761/ They didn't seem to add any, though I should double-check for silent changes. So just taking the published sequence they produced a clone construct, consistent with their having already worked with one (unpublished, obviously) beforehand.
It was a genetic 'viron' fragement in a plasmid wot did it. Either way, intent or no, stoking up the bad-boy virus route is just more of a circle-jerk kabuki play by IC/Pharma game-boys fucking everyone over. Again.
I follow the covid origin story like a hawk.
There is a lot of knowns and a lot of unknowns.
The DEFUSE project as well as Ralph Baric are US based. Wherever the virus came out of, it was likely designed by Ralph.
Yes the outbreak began in Wuhan, possibly during the military games in October. Who released the virus in Wuhan, is not known.
Yes there was event 201, also in October, involving USA, China CDC, Avril Haines from the intelligence community, WEF and BMGF.
What exactly transpired, we do not yet know and, in my opinion, you also do not know.
We also do not know who exactly, out of Event 201 parties mentioned above, agreed to the virus being released.
Trying to interpret multiple levels of dishonest messaging is a valid pursuit, but it has limitations.
The lockstep promotion of "Covid vaccines" to people who never needed them, was a premeditated crime committed for a yet unknown motive (we can make guesses)
The vaccines were promoted mainly for financial gain, I think.
What I can't figure out is why Ralph Baric doesn't run into a microphone stuck in his face every time he's in public. If not daily then at least occasionally. Beyond reports of him receiving new grants for viral therapy and an award from his university, I haven't see anything.
Is there room for Metabiota to be also involved?
https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/p/metabiota-ukraine-and-the-cia
It is a great question. I do not know.
Limitations, sure. But "GOF lab leak" has been since mid-2021 like a softball-bat hitting the face over and over, albeit with dulcet tones. I call foul.
Brian, I loved your article and I am glad you are looking into this. Many past mysteries have not been resolved satisfactorily and I hope this one will be. The US was for sure involved. Who else was? What did Bill or Klaus know? etc
The Russians always said US released the virus at Wuhan military games. I do not personally see the absolute proof of that but it could be.
Why did "they" release Sars-Cov-2? lots of mysteries
Based on what I've heard some theories are: to accelerate the financial decoupling of the economies, to cripple China, a backstop to a failing banking/financial monetary system (some use the repo market chaos last year that the Fed had to bail out as evidence ), laying the foundation to the next monetary global economic system....I don't know. Too big a question for little me. Whatever it is, my guess, it is something big enough to "make it worth it" for these people.
I believe it is a much larger puzzle of which covid and the collapsing financial system are just pieces of. The financial collapse is, IMHO, a part of the plan. What better way to get the most people to accept CBDCs? The food shortages are another piece. What better way to get people to accept food containing insects? Already approved in Europe.
The worldwide coordination in the response tells me that all governments are involved, with few exceptions.
"They" didn't release anything. The Batlady and her US sponsors fooled around with their collection of bat coronaviruses and some idiot PhD student or Postdoc got himself infected and spread that newly made pathogen into Wuhan. Simple, logical and straightforward explanation of everything.
Occam's razor, my friends. The simplest explanation is often the correct one. Why on earth would the CIA or Ralph Baric, the Chinese or whoever release a flu like virus on purpose? Everyone got screwed over in some form, I see no winners emerging.
Make sure your simplest explanation also explains Event 201, Bill Gates purchase of BioNTech stock, and more
Bill Gates invested in BioNtech in 2019 to develop HIV and Tuberculosis mRNA vaccines. He likely used his influence to get them to design the Covid vaccine.
I do not believe that Bill Gates had anything to do with the virus release.
If that is the case why did he recently unload all of his BioNTech stock? Do they have the HIV vaccine yet?
No winners? Look at how whole populations of “freedom loving” citizens of “democracies” were subjugated into lockdowns, job loss, education loss, vaccine passports, useless testing and injection with an incompletely tested “vaccine” not to mention the complete lose of self determination. Whoever is behind this has gained a lot of control and are close to complete control. In my opinion, Covid is not the main event. It was a vehicle to get the greatest number of people to surrender their rights. It also had the effect of making it easier for them to find those who will comply and deal with us.
"In my opinion, Covid is not the main event. It was a vehicle to get the greatest number of people to surrender their rights."
This. It's so blindingly obvious. It makes me think of one giant experiment in mind control.
Yes it is so “blindingly obvious” but most seem to be merely blinded by it and oblivious to it. Many are even worse, seem to welcome the convenience of the controls.
I disagree. Governments in the west have achieved precisely nothing besides a loss of trust in formerly respected institutions. This stupid "pandemic" was not planned, it was simply worldwide idiocy.
The pandemic may not have been planned, but the response certainly was. Not even during WW2 did allies act so uniformly, nor even agencies within a single government. How is it that they all adopted the same measures to fight it, differing only in the degree or length of time? How is it that they all simply forgot all that was previously known about pandemic control and adopted the exact same actions known to have the bad results we now have?
Wow, Brian Mowrey conspiracy level 5 unlocked :) Ok, I’m trying to figure out where they would have seeded the virus - so far we have 1)China, 2)Iran and 3)Italy. China and Iran make perfect sense- I also like this idea that China thinks they are complicit- maybe they used an angle about it helping to shut down the protests that were going on with HK during that time and then the US screwed them over (as they tend to do). But I’m trying to think politically what was going on in Italy that would lead them to want to seed there?
Your theory can also segue with Ethical Skeptics theory if they first tested an earlier version of the virus in a BSL lab and a surrounding leak in another asian country- leading to partial immunity for some locations at first (didn’t Japan, for instance, seem to avoid Alpha and Delta very well and then got hammered by Omicron? Prior partial immunity?) Arkmedic’s article also clearly demonstrated how the US has no issue testing things on people in far away islands...
I think that people in some of the 3 letter agencies are obsessed with regime change- it seems to be almost farcical at this point- how many decades they have tried this and always getting more and more extreme.
I had earlier posted on Eugyppius that I wish someone with know how could track all viral outbreaks in the last 10-15 years (like H1N1, extreme flu seasons, etc)and then see if they can coordinate it to accidental or purposeful lab leaks from nearby. Eugyppius had posted an article about a possible ebola lab leak from 2014 that warranted further analysis.
I also want to add that maybe Omicron was released when they realized that their Alpha release didn’t go as planned and the response wasn’t as originally planned either- China and Iran didn’t change regimes but they were successful in getting out Trump so then plan B to try and weaken the severity of the virus?
I know nobody wants to hear about Oswald, but that was a completely other story, and imprinted us for discarding lone nut theories out of hand. It might just as well have been a single gifted actor who had some insights into the bioweapon programs, access to one of the laboratories (in addition to his own lab in his kitchen), and maybe a good knowledge of the players in the field. Might have been dreaming this up since childhood, and went with the first opportunity. Or seen what’s going on and decided to take proactive steps. Later released omicron to fuck with the vaccine industry, and then monkeypox to send bill another message that he can shove his bioterrorism defense plans down the ass just like any antivirus program for windows 98. Maybe he had just seen some of the biowarfare plans and afterwards decided to do an early release to thwart the plans of the conspirators. All the reactions from Fauci to Netanyahu to Bourla, Trump, Gates, Jinping, etc felt to me like they all have been taken a little, but not completely, by surprise. Stumbling, unprepared. One or two year earlier than planned, and that’s why nothing is really working out for them. The bioengineering involved to pull this off doesn’t require a conspiracy or government involvement, given the available tools and ongoing projects. Any above–average nerd who has dedicated his life and work to this kind of stuff could have pulled this off as described. Conservatives probably don‘t want to hear this, but this nerd might have been a lady.
This seems to be not only a plausible scenario, it also gives hope that we have a much bigger chance to win against the totalitarians and control freaks. Chaos will prevail, and nature is always open to evolve into the manifestations of the will of the gods.
I considered a lone actor "troll" origin in light of the NW Laos / BANAL link. It's certainly possible https://unglossed.substack.com/p/refining-the-deep-state-origin-case
Such an origin would be odd for targeting Wuhan. Whereas Wuhan is perfect if your goal is to frame WIV. Why would a troll need to do that? Also odd for watermarking a Moderna sequence. How would a troll know Moderna would become such a player in the new order? Omicron, yes, totally possible that was a lone actor either in congruence or separately from the original release.
As a kid, a very long time ago, I was somehow entrenched in the then active VX scene of the early days of the internet.
We knew the landscape of the anti-virus industry. Which product uses which techniques, etc. We studied them, we shared our knowledge, we challenged each other.
I guess it’s really not that difficult for a long-time professional bioengineering/biowar insider to know quite a lot about the vaccine and biodefense industry. Promising tech stacks (like mRNA), promising startups, etc. distribution of grants and funding, the Who is Who. They would at a minimum read the published papers, and - immersed in the field - would have a lot more anchor points for educated guesses than any of us outsiders could possibly imagine.
Although I was never completely certain whether one of us actually did do a release back in the days (probably…), it would just have felt ludicrous and just patronizing if outsider started doing wild speculations about our potential individual motifs.
I suppose. Unfair of me to add but I should have listed in the previous reply, the November 2019 intelligence brief remains a big problem for the lone actor theory. Unless the lone actor is capable of truly puppet-mastering the deep state, in which case what's the difference from a deep state origin. It's just a blob that random people figure out how to pilot around by pulling levers.
Isn‘t all you need to get your work mentioned at an intelligence briefing to trigger one of their surveillance sensors, either intentionally or unintentionally? If there is a deep-state led biowarfare going on, then certainly there must be an extensive (secret?) surveillance infrastructure for novel pathogens in place already, or we are dealing with the utmost idiotic morons all the way up the chain.
I am still thinking it plausible that a SARS like pandemic might have been planned, together with plans for vaccine passports, population control (not necessarily depopulation, but having a system in place that leaves this option open might as well have been an aim), etc; but just not a 2019 release. The rest of the infrastructure was simply not ready yet, planned release date was maybe in 2021. Someone got hold of those plans, and did an early release with his own virus (still SARS-like). Then timed omicron release, prepared with the knowledge about single-epitome vaccines, with the worldwide start of implementing the mandates. As a result we are where we are now: the original plans turned out impossible to implement with the pressure of the altered timeline, retreat, people and countries are slowly waking up, internal power conflicts between various cabals and families creating a power vacuum. And as a result, now the world threatens to tumble back into a multipolar world.
This creates a window of opportunity now for the global immune system to establish effective defenses against modern forms of totalitarianism, against corrupted regulatory institutions, the propaganda apparatus, and maybe a dismantling or at least weakening of the military-pharmacological-industrial complex, and the start of a new Enlightenment.
No single gifted actor could have organized the coincident suppression of early treatments. France removed HCQ from OTC in late 2019, BEFORE the pandemic was public. Somebody put the Surgisphere cut out boys up to their hijinks with the Lancet paper. Somebody figured out how to control pharmacists in a way that had never been done before, making them feel entitled to questions doctor's prescriptions for known safe meds.
One guy in a lab maybe could have released the virus... but NO WAY did one guy in a lab pull off the operation. We have to look at the big picture.
You are right, and I agree. You need to learn to read more carefully.
So the single, gifted actor theory only applies to Omicron and forward? Not sure if I am interpreting your intended meaning or not. We are on the same team.
How would you know which team I am on? I am team Red Woods. What about you?
Intendend release date of similar pathogen might have been in 2021, single actor released prior in 2019. That also vibes much better with the ehealth infrastructure plans and timelines throughout Europe that I have been involved with, including installation plans for government backdoors, etc.
Single actor probably already had omicron ready when releasing wuhan virus.
Was it not for omicron, we would be blessed now with vacccine passports and strict mandates, as planned for years. The reversal didn‘t seem neither planned, nor caused by the protests. Strategic retreat due to the message encoded with omicron.
And since the release of monkeypox, bill got really quiet on the topic.
So omicron release is a rogue white hat?
White hats love corporations, order, authority, and control. My educated guess as a security professional is that it contains the fingerprint of a true black hat, with a phrack and hacker‘s manifesto mindset.
Or it could’ve been released by morons. The CDC here in ATL has lost track of Smallpox and Anthrax (and a few others from what former CDC employees whisper about). It seems plausible that some arrogant moron took a sample and disposed of it improperly.
Monkeypox was definitely a timed release. Phylogenetic tree of omicron, combined with reactions by the industry makes me bet on intentional release too regarding this bug. I am open for natural evolution, but the evidence does not point in this direction AFAIS.
That is definitely true 👍🏻