My impression is that actual pre-Omicron recovered were still a minority. If you look at places like Germany, France, total cases were only up to ~10% of population right before Omicron. Random N protein seroprevalence sampling could sort this out but no one ever seems to do any; and now it would be too late (since Omicron will presumably also cause N protein antibodies). I know there are higher estimates being thrown around all the time but where is the hard evidence? So it seemed that without Omicron, it would have taken 8 more years or so for everyone to be infected in most places.
Yes, people were already speculating that in some countries (like Sweden and India) that percentages were already in the high 80s before Omicron. I highly doubt it.
There were efforts in the spring of 2020 and some countries that were hit hard and they did random seroprevalence sampling (eg, Spain). It was only about 5% then
(everybody was speculating that it would have been 20% or more).
But with ordinary coronaviruses, the virus changes so much that we still get 2-3
colds a year. So, not clear if omicron is the end of the road or just another stop with never-ending variants (and limited cross-immunity).
I recommend you try the povodine-iodine gargles and nasal spray recommended by the FLCCC and Peter McCullough. My son had The Thing right before Christmas :(. He took the recommended nutraceuticals and aspirin, which he believes helped. IMO, the gargles and nasal spray did the trick. He had one bad night. He's still taking aspirin and NAC a month later. The infection might be mild in many people, but the spike is nasty. Hope you feel better soon.
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Thank you. I've got a couple pills purchased in advance (the box is the size of a soap bar, I was obviously expecting more than 2 pills to be in there), and can get more, from the Roma (Mexican pharmacy). I was also able to soak up an hour of sun at a decent angle today, it felt brilliant. I might still run out for the full set of basics, but I have qualms about the "immune safetyism" approach vs immunity as antifragile, I think there's a different point in life where the tradeoffs (more short term damage confers more robust protection when I'm older) flip for each person and my instinct says I'm not there. But I have a "use it or lose it" approach to health to begin with...
Glad you have some on hand. And sunshine is brilliant! (No pun intended ;-) The first 5 days are critical. It doesn’t hurt to take zinc (quercetin helps get it in the cells, so that’s important), vitamin d, vitamin c, etc. Should minimize symptoms and shorten the duration.
I got it on 1/6 several days after husband and son got it. Husband and son tested negative (home test) first day and positive 2nd day so I waited til 2nd day. Felt straight-on flu—fever, aches, etc. Fatigue and yuck for about 3 more days, but functional. Still tested positive on day 8, but overall felt good other than sinus congestion. Yesterday (day 12) tested negative within the fifteen minutes, but noticed a faint line after the fifteen minutes.
Husband developed fever and dropped O2 sats(88-89%) around day 8 and got very sick. Managed to stay out of hospital with flccc protocol (thank God) and he’s slowly normalizing.
Feel better Brian! I guess you came in close contact with a vaxxed person. Make sure to mask up now when you are walking on the beach! Chicken soup helps, unless it has been banned as an unproven treatment!
Not sure where you're getting the "kids can't taste" idea from. All the kids I know have more sensitive taste and smell capabilities than us grownups with our "seasoned" (burnt-out?) receptors. Which matches my memory of childhood, and also squares with the common experience of children as picky eaters.
Taste and smell aren't objective observations. They are mental and emotional constructs in the brain based on objective detections of molecules reacting with sensors and a while lot of memories. Observations that don't correlate with memories are likely to be ignored. Those constructs are defined more by experience with those molecules than the simple chemical reaction.
Someday we'll learn to read brain impulses. Until then, well only be able to read reactions to molecules we interpret as smells and tastes through the filter of our experiences.
"Garlicky" is a processed conclusion associating the molecules emitted by garlic into the surrounding air with the experiences with the garlic plant. Someone who never experienced or ate garlic would have different impressions than those who have. But those molecules react with chemicals in the nose and mouth that send specific signals to the brain. They can be read. We don't know how yet. We will. Emulating human consciousness will require that chemical reaction and a database correlating that signal with that product. We do know how to do that.
Well, something from the previously circulating lineage, and Delta was the only big thing. Since Omicron is structurally distinct in the spike I’m not sure we should assume it is actually “boosting” immunity against the other version.
I remember reading some study piece where the authors assumed exactly this based on their findings. Reading a lot of your stuff has taught me however that what authors of such studies suggest doesn't necessarily mean much, so only time will tell.
But then comes the question who will be the successor of Omicron? If the next in line is a Delta successor, then should we expect immediately afterwards another Omicron+ wave? This doesn't sound very sexy to be honest.
Omicron may or may not slot in as "the 5th human coronavirus," experienced as just a cold, once all adults are acclimated. Which would totally dispute OAS once again. What I am proposing is that if we already had four other covs, why didn't they displace SARS-CoV-2 either? Obviously it's because the antibodies weren't similar enough but who says the Mouse Serial Passage variant (Omicron) spike is close enough either? We'll see when we see.
" ....if we already had four other covs, why didn't they displace SARS-CoV-2 either?"
Because unlike humans viruses know that there is plenty enough to share for all of them. I mean look at how generous all the various flu strains were to give the new kid on the block an entire YEAR without competition so that it could cement itself in this world? When was the last time you saw any group of humans do that for another group? Is it any wonder viruses are everywhere and so successful? Lol!
It swept thru my entire household of 3 adults ages 26 to 56. Interestingly, we all had different symptoms. I had a fever for 4 days which caused sluggishness but aspirin helped. Worse symptom for me was runny/stuffy nose that would not quit. I tried everything, nose rinse, nebulizing iodine, nac, quercetin, various nose sprays, budesonide, antihistamines, cold pills, disinfectant spray recommended on Imask. Only thing that worked was time lol. I still did virtual workouts which I think helped with recovery! My husband had throat congestion due to sinus. That’s it. He never missed a minute of work at home. My daughter had sinus issues too, did lose some smell and taste which lasted a few weeks. Felt icky for 5 days but had to quarantine for 10 for work. She said she never felt so rested because she had time to relax, play games, drink wine lol.
So you must wear a mask, get vaccinated, social distance and begin vilifying all purveyors of misinformation. Oh whoops, sorry, trying to read WAlensky quote and got hypnotized. “Safe and effective....safe and effective....safe and effective” repeat after me. /sarc
Despite the fact you now almost indisputably have antibodies..... they say vaccination is still important. Makes absolutely no sense.
Had it several weeks ago. Not vaxxed. Took nothing for it. Have had far worse colds and flu. Was back to 85% normal after 3 days of feeling bad and low grade fever. Took another week to get to 100% normal. Losing taste/smell was weird. Coffee tasted like hot water.
Hope you are over this thing.
Why do you think Delta could come back? If the hypothesis of natural immunity is
correct, wouldn't the huge number of people that have already been infected with Delta
(and even more now with Omicron) prevent that?
Unless, catching omicron doesn't prevent you from catching delta at some point in the future...
My impression is that actual pre-Omicron recovered were still a minority. If you look at places like Germany, France, total cases were only up to ~10% of population right before Omicron. Random N protein seroprevalence sampling could sort this out but no one ever seems to do any; and now it would be too late (since Omicron will presumably also cause N protein antibodies). I know there are higher estimates being thrown around all the time but where is the hard evidence? So it seemed that without Omicron, it would have taken 8 more years or so for everyone to be infected in most places.
Yes, people were already speculating that in some countries (like Sweden and India) that percentages were already in the high 80s before Omicron. I highly doubt it.
There were efforts in the spring of 2020 and some countries that were hit hard and they did random seroprevalence sampling (eg, Spain). It was only about 5% then
(everybody was speculating that it would have been 20% or more).
But with ordinary coronaviruses, the virus changes so much that we still get 2-3
colds a year. So, not clear if omicron is the end of the road or just another stop with never-ending variants (and limited cross-immunity).
Word on the street is that if you got the Dumbicron, you run a pretty good chance of not losing taste. So, you have that going for you.
Yeah, didn't lost mine at all.
Maybe you have read it already:
https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/the-omicron-hypothesis-part-1
Dovetails a lot.
Thanks, it posted while I was in my last hours of being a bed potato.
If it's the Thing your body now produces everyTHING you need for further encounters with other THINGS:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9
Nothing new under the sun because the sun knows quite a THING about life, so to speak.
I recommend you try the povodine-iodine gargles and nasal spray recommended by the FLCCC and Peter McCullough. My son had The Thing right before Christmas :(. He took the recommended nutraceuticals and aspirin, which he believes helped. IMO, the gargles and nasal spray did the trick. He had one bad night. He's still taking aspirin and NAC a month later. The infection might be mild in many people, but the spike is nasty. Hope you feel better soon.
Is he taking the Vitamin D?
Sorry you’re down with the Thing, but the good news is, you’ll get natural immunity for life!
Regardless, no point taking risks. I hope you’re applying early treatment protocols (https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Alliance-I-MASKplus-Protocol-ENGLISH.pdf).
If you don’t have ivermectin on hand, you can contact one of the FLCCC providers (https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/covid-19-care-providers/). I can highly recommend Dr. Partovi (details below):
Dr. Ryan D. Partovi, NMD, JD, MIfHI
San Diego, CA
(760) 224-3033
office@drpartovi.com
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Thank you. I've got a couple pills purchased in advance (the box is the size of a soap bar, I was obviously expecting more than 2 pills to be in there), and can get more, from the Roma (Mexican pharmacy). I was also able to soak up an hour of sun at a decent angle today, it felt brilliant. I might still run out for the full set of basics, but I have qualms about the "immune safetyism" approach vs immunity as antifragile, I think there's a different point in life where the tradeoffs (more short term damage confers more robust protection when I'm older) flip for each person and my instinct says I'm not there. But I have a "use it or lose it" approach to health to begin with...
Glad you have some on hand. And sunshine is brilliant! (No pun intended ;-) The first 5 days are critical. It doesn’t hurt to take zinc (quercetin helps get it in the cells, so that’s important), vitamin d, vitamin c, etc. Should minimize symptoms and shorten the duration.
"And sunshine is brilliant!"
Indeed. There is no better remedy than seasonal sunshine.
I hope you get well soon.
Thank you.
Hope you're feeling better. Kinda jealous, not going to lie. It's summer here, ideal time of year to catch it.
Given the case rates down there, it seems like your odds are pretty good...
You'd think so, huh? Will have to wait for my boosted house mate to catch it and pass it on to me.
I got it on 1/6 several days after husband and son got it. Husband and son tested negative (home test) first day and positive 2nd day so I waited til 2nd day. Felt straight-on flu—fever, aches, etc. Fatigue and yuck for about 3 more days, but functional. Still tested positive on day 8, but overall felt good other than sinus congestion. Yesterday (day 12) tested negative within the fifteen minutes, but noticed a faint line after the fifteen minutes.
Husband developed fever and dropped O2 sats(88-89%) around day 8 and got very sick. Managed to stay out of hospital with flccc protocol (thank God) and he’s slowly normalizing.
Also, I’m 59, hubby is 61, non-vaxxed.
Two questions:
1. How many days you end up feeling sick.
2. Whether you would get tested (insert caveats about test accuracy here) just out of academic curiosity.
No for 2. So far this is just "not flu-like" enough to convince me I'm safe with my guess that it is omicron.
Getting tested is only useful if it affects treatment. It doesn't. We treat symptoms, not viruses.
"Academic curiosity".
Curiosity is fine in normal times. These are not normal times. We need to focus on solutions.
Feel better Brian! I guess you came in close contact with a vaxxed person. Make sure to mask up now when you are walking on the beach! Chicken soup helps, unless it has been banned as an unproven treatment!
At least to set a good example for the seagulls.
Not sure where you're getting the "kids can't taste" idea from. All the kids I know have more sensitive taste and smell capabilities than us grownups with our "seasoned" (burnt-out?) receptors. Which matches my memory of childhood, and also squares with the common experience of children as picky eaters.
Taste and smell aren't objective observations. They are mental and emotional constructs in the brain based on objective detections of molecules reacting with sensors and a while lot of memories. Observations that don't correlate with memories are likely to be ignored. Those constructs are defined more by experience with those molecules than the simple chemical reaction.
Someday we'll learn to read brain impulses. Until then, well only be able to read reactions to molecules we interpret as smells and tastes through the filter of our experiences.
"Garlicky" is a processed conclusion associating the molecules emitted by garlic into the surrounding air with the experiences with the garlic plant. Someone who never experienced or ate garlic would have different impressions than those who have. But those molecules react with chemicals in the nose and mouth that send specific signals to the brain. They can be read. We don't know how yet. We will. Emulating human consciousness will require that chemical reaction and a database correlating that signal with that product. We do know how to do that.
Hmm, not my experience - both senses were less limited as I aged
That’s funny, my adult former PICKY eater was the only one to lose her taste and smell. Mostly back but now can’t stand mayonnaise!
Try feeding a kid something spicy and report back
Right, that's how I've always seen childhood food tastes. They can't enjoy subtle flavors because they can't detect them.
Hmm, wouldn't a brand new variant be the more likely scenario rather than a new round of Delta?
Well, something from the previously circulating lineage, and Delta was the only big thing. Since Omicron is structurally distinct in the spike I’m not sure we should assume it is actually “boosting” immunity against the other version.
Nucleocapsid didn't change much though, so there's that receptor / Ab being produced that may help retrospectively against Delta et al.
I remember reading some study piece where the authors assumed exactly this based on their findings. Reading a lot of your stuff has taught me however that what authors of such studies suggest doesn't necessarily mean much, so only time will tell.
But then comes the question who will be the successor of Omicron? If the next in line is a Delta successor, then should we expect immediately afterwards another Omicron+ wave? This doesn't sound very sexy to be honest.
Omicron may or may not slot in as "the 5th human coronavirus," experienced as just a cold, once all adults are acclimated. Which would totally dispute OAS once again. What I am proposing is that if we already had four other covs, why didn't they displace SARS-CoV-2 either? Obviously it's because the antibodies weren't similar enough but who says the Mouse Serial Passage variant (Omicron) spike is close enough either? We'll see when we see.
Hope you get better soon by the way
" ....if we already had four other covs, why didn't they displace SARS-CoV-2 either?"
Because unlike humans viruses know that there is plenty enough to share for all of them. I mean look at how generous all the various flu strains were to give the new kid on the block an entire YEAR without competition so that it could cement itself in this world? When was the last time you saw any group of humans do that for another group? Is it any wonder viruses are everywhere and so successful? Lol!
Dang.
It swept thru my entire household of 3 adults ages 26 to 56. Interestingly, we all had different symptoms. I had a fever for 4 days which caused sluggishness but aspirin helped. Worse symptom for me was runny/stuffy nose that would not quit. I tried everything, nose rinse, nebulizing iodine, nac, quercetin, various nose sprays, budesonide, antihistamines, cold pills, disinfectant spray recommended on Imask. Only thing that worked was time lol. I still did virtual workouts which I think helped with recovery! My husband had throat congestion due to sinus. That’s it. He never missed a minute of work at home. My daughter had sinus issues too, did lose some smell and taste which lasted a few weeks. Felt icky for 5 days but had to quarantine for 10 for work. She said she never felt so rested because she had time to relax, play games, drink wine lol.
So you must wear a mask, get vaccinated, social distance and begin vilifying all purveyors of misinformation. Oh whoops, sorry, trying to read WAlensky quote and got hypnotized. “Safe and effective....safe and effective....safe and effective” repeat after me. /sarc
Despite the fact you now almost indisputably have antibodies..... they say vaccination is still important. Makes absolutely no sense.
The stupidity of CDC is appalling.
They are not stupid. They are diabolical.
Agree. Word.
Had it several weeks ago. Not vaxxed. Took nothing for it. Have had far worse colds and flu. Was back to 85% normal after 3 days of feeling bad and low grade fever. Took another week to get to 100% normal. Losing taste/smell was weird. Coffee tasted like hot water.
The taste and smell thing is funny. My brother is just getting over Covid, and for him everything tastes/smells like burnt coffee.