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Markael Luterra's avatar

One explanation for clades that appear and then fade out is that they were intentionally "seeded" within a population. I'm assuming this is where you are headed with this logic, and I almost suggested the same thing in my comment on your last post.

I'm curious, though, whether this phenomenon (many short-lived, local/regional evolutionary clades which fail to exhibit greater fitness on a global scale) is the exception or the rule in viral evolution - or even in evolutionary contexts more broadly.

The vast majority of mutations will be deleterious and will not be passed on from the host where they arise. A select few will confer greater fitness and will eventually gain dominance across the global viral population.

What lies in between these outcomes, though?

1. Mutations that confer a selective advantage *only within the host where they arise*. Perhaps they are better at infecting cells or making more copies but terrible at being transmitted. Presumably this explains many of the "one-off" sequences that are detected.

2. Mutations that confer a selective advantage within a particular spatiotemporal context, but not globally/permanently. It's quite possible to imagine, for example, a strain that could outcompete existing strains (and cause a wave of infection) in Manaus but not in New York City, or vice versa - in the context of differing innate/adaptive immunity in the populations (from past exposure to different pathogens/antigens) and different environmental and social conditions influencing transmission. It's also possible to imagine a strain that has an advantage in northern hemisphere winter but not in northern hemisphere spring/summer.

One of the main challenges here is that we have more detailed sequence data for SARS-CoV2 across space and time than for any other virus or organism ever, and so it's not always easy to find parallel comparisons to assess what is simply revealing the micro-, meso-, and macro-dynamics of natural selection and what is evidence of artificial intervention.

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Vigilant Amalek Snow Leopard's avatar

https://palexander.substack.com/p/ba5-covid-sub-variant-being-replaced?pos=1

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"A non-sterilizing vaccine WILL cause variants to emerge, as this is doing!"

So this is Paul channeling GVB, and Paul and GVB are quasi-homies or at least simpatico on this theme.

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Brian, I will confess to diligently trying to read through the first post in the series. I was doing pretty good through the Tony Hawk part and stuff. My head exploded, which is not unusual.

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How far apart are we here on the Expert Scale?

Polar opposites?

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