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Ivo Bakota's avatar

Is this just Steve “jumping the gun” again?

I like that he brings these things up and he provides some interesting points of view but many on closer inspection turn out be 🤷

I couldn’t really follow his methodology at a glance, sounded good but when you start taking ratios at different points in time and taking averages etc. it’s a good way to mess things up if your not careful. Not saying he has, but if what you've written is a fair assessment of his method, I can totally see the issue. I can clearly follow your example but find it hard to relate it directly to Steve’s analysis mainly because I can’t follow Steve’s logic fully (could be lack of trying on my part).

I don’t really want to spend the time unraveling his post. I’m sure others like yourself did/will do a better job at it. I hope Norman Fenton or Clare Craig will do a deep dive after being name dropped. Even if they agree with his methodology they would be able to show why his critics are wrong.

I look forward to more skeptical discussion of his findings, not because I disagree with him, I hope he has found a silver bullet but it has to stand up better scrutiny than just “put up or shut up.”

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Banta's avatar

Is this Groundhog’s Day? Didn’t we go through this circus act like a year ago? With the same incredibly small sample size with self-reported results submitted by an audience that is definitely not a random distribution? Is this what handwaving looks like?

I’d probably reflexively puke in my mouth less if it wasn’t presented like a “get rich quick” or “miracle cure” scam website. COMPLETE with BOLDED TEXT and APPEALS TO AUTHORITY to demonstrate that IT IS IMPOSSIBLE I am wrong! And if I am, you CAN WIN BEN STEIN’S MONEY!!!

Maybe I’m just cranky, but I’m past the point where these things are just a cute character quirk, and their heart is in the right place, yada yada. If this is what the being anti-vax means, I don’t even care which side wins. You’re just exchanging one group of egotistical sociopaths for another (which is on brand for humanity, give a cursory review of history).

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